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| Question #1238324464 | Sunday, 29-Mar-2009 |
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| This was a comment before. But its about my uncertainity with Socionics and all typing systems, because of my uncertainity with my type. Please read, it would be so helpful to have new perspective. Its very long, but there is alot to it that you might have thought of, but never gotten far in trying to fully understand. [[[[[[[[Well, I'm an INT-something, or something something rather; who knows what? You sound like your preference as being an INTJ is clean-enough cut. Good for you. I'm going to be 17 soon and from when I was 14-15, I wasted my life contemplating socionics. Socionics is an interesting structure to such a grabbing concept. Most of the people who are on here for so long must be strong INTJs, maybe I am too, I'm just deficient and don't understand and comprehend things well enough, so I have to adopt the seeking behaviors of other types. I used to be really shy, wouldn't talk to anyone, but I love attention and I love people, I love it when people like me. But I'm in-my-own-head and shy all the same, I'm a freakin' mess. I scored INTP almost everytime I took the socionics test, but I fit the notion of dominant Ti better than Ni I think, though I get confused and am never sure. I'm super serious and intense; at my best I can appear very casual but still extremely intense, and have learned to be Chameleon-like in many different settings. I can never commit to anything. I also don't get good grades, and can talk intelligently and understand alot of things(though math is tricky unless it has to do with Classical Music) to an extent that I could be most genuinely thoughtful sounding speaker in a good sized collection of people. But I'm lazy and useless, in some ways I feel incredibly stupid. But, but but, but, I feel like I have a characteristic perspective to me that is very rare, and gives me the potential for a lot of ego and a lot of humility all the same, but coexisting and conflicting. Tangents. Well, my goal was to offer you some perspective, usually I have some pretty unusual perspectives. Socionics, I don't get it, I more about it than most people who claim to get it know, but, I don't have a type to confidently call my own. So, either I discredit it, or stubbornly hope it will work.]]]]]]]] What do you guys think? Do I just have ambiguous preferences, am I a confused member of a distinct type, or is Socionics just not that deeply applicable and somewhat faulty and not very scientific? Thats my current story with Socionics as best as I will be able to describe it right now. Don't call me any type please unless you are totally convinced and think you can sort of ADD to my knowledge, and NOT indescriminately OVERIDE it. In someways, Ne seems to be me because I like really wierd things and I indulgently dig into any concept I come across(I think refinement between intuition types is concept of faulty logic, its all the same..prove me wrong?). I'm also very charismatic when in a good mood, but I often feel like I have a puny presence. I don't think I'm "right brained" enough to be an ENTP. INTP, they seem too rigid and strategic at the expense of deep understanding. ENTJs are too tough and regular. INFJs, too naturally tranquil. INFPs, I can't manipulate my emotions very quickly. ENFPs, I'm too slow witted, even though I love social things, plus I'm too deep. ENFJs, too good socially and too energetic. INTJs, too linnear, but maybe that how I was born and I grew around it. ISTJs, too practicle. ISTPs too cool and cold. ISFJs, god, sometimes I feel dangerously close to being one, they describe them so much as what I aspire not to be but might actually be deep down; they are so lamely described, I have a strong mind! ISFPs, maybe when I have some twisted perspective, I'll believe it, same for all other unmentioned sensates. Please Help People, try my thinking on, if you think you have the type for me nailed, go for it. If you can't decide, start thinking about what I could actually be in a more flexible sense. I don't know what I mean really, just use your intuition to give me a wholesome, truly wholesome answer if you can. -- Grant |
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| A24 Shez: What I understand from socionists more experienced than myself is that, from what we've been able to observe, personality type manifests itself at a very early age (two or three years old, possibly earlier), and does not change throughout a person's life. By the time a kid is old enough to walk, he has a very discernable personality. That to me strongly implies "Nature" over "Nurture" - in any case, it seems to be set in stone very early on. ¶You mentioned that you haven't always been as logical and grammatically precise as you are now. Obviously, I only have your posts on this site on which to base my assessment of your type, so I can't really comment directly on what you may have been like previously, but it sounds to me like you're describing the typical maturation process of an INTj. Even someone with a natural aptitude for logic still needs to be taught how to use it properly. The difference is that, if you were a different type (like INFp, for example), you could be taught how to use logic properly, and still not be very good at it. The real question is: now that you've been taught how to use logic and grammar and other Ti things, do you find them easy to use? Or do you find it stressful to do logical analysis for long periods of time? ¶As for why you used to type as an INFp, I unfortunately have no idea, since your posts type strongly as INTj. Maybe you were using socionics wrong back then? As for sometimes posting in "a very non-INTj-like voice", since all types have all the different information elements within them, just in different orders and strengths, everyone expresses each different information element from time to time. The question, as I said above, is which elements you can use easily for long periods of time, and which ones you find stressful and can't use for very long at one time. ¶Finally, you mentioned the fact that a lot of your INTj-like traits in your posts are a result of conscious effort on your part not to be too subjective. The fact that you even care whether you're subjective or objective indicates clearly to me that you value Ti. The fact that you're very good at it leads me to conclude that you are INTj. ¶P.S. I remembered another page for typing people based on the words they use, here: http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Vocabulary Very, very helpful. -- Krig (INTj) |
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