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| Question #1238324464 | Sunday, 29-Mar-2009 |
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| This was a comment before. But its about my uncertainity with Socionics and all typing systems, because of my uncertainity with my type. Please read, it would be so helpful to have new perspective. Its very long, but there is alot to it that you might have thought of, but never gotten far in trying to fully understand. [[[[[[[[Well, I'm an INT-something, or something something rather; who knows what? You sound like your preference as being an INTJ is clean-enough cut. Good for you. I'm going to be 17 soon and from when I was 14-15, I wasted my life contemplating socionics. Socionics is an interesting structure to such a grabbing concept. Most of the people who are on here for so long must be strong INTJs, maybe I am too, I'm just deficient and don't understand and comprehend things well enough, so I have to adopt the seeking behaviors of other types. I used to be really shy, wouldn't talk to anyone, but I love attention and I love people, I love it when people like me. But I'm in-my-own-head and shy all the same, I'm a freakin' mess. I scored INTP almost everytime I took the socionics test, but I fit the notion of dominant Ti better than Ni I think, though I get confused and am never sure. I'm super serious and intense; at my best I can appear very casual but still extremely intense, and have learned to be Chameleon-like in many different settings. I can never commit to anything. I also don't get good grades, and can talk intelligently and understand alot of things(though math is tricky unless it has to do with Classical Music) to an extent that I could be most genuinely thoughtful sounding speaker in a good sized collection of people. But I'm lazy and useless, in some ways I feel incredibly stupid. But, but but, but, I feel like I have a characteristic perspective to me that is very rare, and gives me the potential for a lot of ego and a lot of humility all the same, but coexisting and conflicting. Tangents. Well, my goal was to offer you some perspective, usually I have some pretty unusual perspectives. Socionics, I don't get it, I more about it than most people who claim to get it know, but, I don't have a type to confidently call my own. So, either I discredit it, or stubbornly hope it will work.]]]]]]]] What do you guys think? Do I just have ambiguous preferences, am I a confused member of a distinct type, or is Socionics just not that deeply applicable and somewhat faulty and not very scientific? Thats my current story with Socionics as best as I will be able to describe it right now. Don't call me any type please unless you are totally convinced and think you can sort of ADD to my knowledge, and NOT indescriminately OVERIDE it. In someways, Ne seems to be me because I like really wierd things and I indulgently dig into any concept I come across(I think refinement between intuition types is concept of faulty logic, its all the same..prove me wrong?). I'm also very charismatic when in a good mood, but I often feel like I have a puny presence. I don't think I'm "right brained" enough to be an ENTP. INTP, they seem too rigid and strategic at the expense of deep understanding. ENTJs are too tough and regular. INFJs, too naturally tranquil. INFPs, I can't manipulate my emotions very quickly. ENFPs, I'm too slow witted, even though I love social things, plus I'm too deep. ENFJs, too good socially and too energetic. INTJs, too linnear, but maybe that how I was born and I grew around it. ISTJs, too practicle. ISTPs too cool and cold. ISFJs, god, sometimes I feel dangerously close to being one, they describe them so much as what I aspire not to be but might actually be deep down; they are so lamely described, I have a strong mind! ISFPs, maybe when I have some twisted perspective, I'll believe it, same for all other unmentioned sensates. Please Help People, try my thinking on, if you think you have the type for me nailed, go for it. If you can't decide, start thinking about what I could actually be in a more flexible sense. I don't know what I mean really, just use your intuition to give me a wholesome, truly wholesome answer if you can. -- Grant |
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| A36 I think you make some astute observations Ezis, but I disagree with you on the functions that you assign various behaviours to. You say about Grant: 'more sure in expressing thoughts about his surrounding than about his own identity, because striving for recognition in the first place and for self-definition in the second'. Actually he spends a great deal of his posts pinpointing his own cognitive and behavioural mannerisms. And i would go further in saying that he doesn't put self-definition second and recognition first, but that his self-definition appears to largely involved how others recognize him, and that it is by no means second, since it is always the primary topic of his posts (despite the fact that he eventually concludes his posts by dismissing categorical systems such as socionics, which i think indicates a frustration with being categorized rather than putting self definition second). Based on what he's said about himself (being a bit of a social outcast), he doesn't so much strive for recognition as want and expect others to give it to him. I keep seeing this amongst INFp's - an inner burning desire to be 'liked by all' despite being a social outcast through and through. 'He seems to be the happiest when he can be the best, have a free "operation area" and make a difference in a team' - this isn't restricted to Se, it applies to a number of functions and personality types. 'he writes about moving the body to move the mind and about consuming more and more information and having difficulties digesting it' - i'll give you that one, that does sound like Se dominant, with weak Ti. Then again, difficulty digesting information is a rather lyrical way of saying 'I find it hard to comprehend things'...which also sounds like INFp...they tend to speak lyrically, and have a hard time understanding things. What you say about Grant's 'provocative' way of posting and talking to us...sure, that is an EFp technique...it could also be an NiFe technique... Agenda of being perfect? yes. Agenda of being precise? Not that I can see...I'm not convinced that precision is important to Grant judging by the way he tends to flit from one topic to another, without trying to get to the bottom of anything, and without reaching a conclusive statement...the fact that this agenda is HIDDEN? Doesn't seem like it; seems to be very out in the open actually. As for Grant's brief factual questions...well i know that with at least one of those questions, he actually wrote a long speel before thinking better of it and deleting it only to replace it with a simple question...for some reason, this doesn't sound like ESFp behaviour...I think an ESFp would have clicked 'Send' before thinking heavily about it, and reworking everything s/he just wrote. Finally, let's keep in mind the closest thing we have to an 'objective measure' is his result on the socionics quiz (which albeit isn't that objective, but at least it's something) and that was INTp, which is almost completely opposite to ESFp. I'm more inclined to think that his type is something close to that result...you know what i have in mind. As for my type, I'm inclined to think that i'm an INFj who now appears INTj-ish. Mainly because Thinking abilities are something i've had to work on and develop, whereas empathic abilities are something i've always just...had. Also, I'm more confident with Fe than Te. That being said, since I routinely use Ti and routinely suppress Fi - that may have caused me to appear more INTj than I previously thought. Being INFj would also explain why I've managed to occassionally type as INFp, yet still at times appear like a Ti-leading INTj. -- Shez |
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| A37 Ezis and Shez and everyone else, here I am months later, hehe; I appreciate all your input very much. I disconnected from socionics and do not hope to reestablish the connection, not out of a dislike for the system, but simply because I have furthered some interests of mine, naturally I see past some of the things I saw back then, and acknowledge my limitations more. Inspite of the fact that I cannot articulate my thoughts online as well due to being out of practice, I feel more adept at life. New issues have popped up obviously, but I seem to do okay. Best not to think about it too much. I still couldn't tell you my type, I don't currently understand it for myself. Just wanted you to know I'm doing okay and I hope you are as well. Anxiety squeezes my throat as I write this just because all the possibilities are spinning through my head as usual. -- Grant. |
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