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| Question #1238324464 | Sunday, 29-Mar-2009 |
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| This was a comment before. But its about my uncertainity with Socionics and all typing systems, because of my uncertainity with my type. Please read, it would be so helpful to have new perspective. Its very long, but there is alot to it that you might have thought of, but never gotten far in trying to fully understand. [[[[[[[[Well, I'm an INT-something, or something something rather; who knows what? You sound like your preference as being an INTJ is clean-enough cut. Good for you. I'm going to be 17 soon and from when I was 14-15, I wasted my life contemplating socionics. Socionics is an interesting structure to such a grabbing concept. Most of the people who are on here for so long must be strong INTJs, maybe I am too, I'm just deficient and don't understand and comprehend things well enough, so I have to adopt the seeking behaviors of other types. I used to be really shy, wouldn't talk to anyone, but I love attention and I love people, I love it when people like me. But I'm in-my-own-head and shy all the same, I'm a freakin' mess. I scored INTP almost everytime I took the socionics test, but I fit the notion of dominant Ti better than Ni I think, though I get confused and am never sure. I'm super serious and intense; at my best I can appear very casual but still extremely intense, and have learned to be Chameleon-like in many different settings. I can never commit to anything. I also don't get good grades, and can talk intelligently and understand alot of things(though math is tricky unless it has to do with Classical Music) to an extent that I could be most genuinely thoughtful sounding speaker in a good sized collection of people. But I'm lazy and useless, in some ways I feel incredibly stupid. But, but but, but, I feel like I have a characteristic perspective to me that is very rare, and gives me the potential for a lot of ego and a lot of humility all the same, but coexisting and conflicting. Tangents. Well, my goal was to offer you some perspective, usually I have some pretty unusual perspectives. Socionics, I don't get it, I more about it than most people who claim to get it know, but, I don't have a type to confidently call my own. So, either I discredit it, or stubbornly hope it will work.]]]]]]]] What do you guys think? Do I just have ambiguous preferences, am I a confused member of a distinct type, or is Socionics just not that deeply applicable and somewhat faulty and not very scientific? Thats my current story with Socionics as best as I will be able to describe it right now. Don't call me any type please unless you are totally convinced and think you can sort of ADD to my knowledge, and NOT indescriminately OVERIDE it. In someways, Ne seems to be me because I like really wierd things and I indulgently dig into any concept I come across(I think refinement between intuition types is concept of faulty logic, its all the same..prove me wrong?). I'm also very charismatic when in a good mood, but I often feel like I have a puny presence. I don't think I'm "right brained" enough to be an ENTP. INTP, they seem too rigid and strategic at the expense of deep understanding. ENTJs are too tough and regular. INFJs, too naturally tranquil. INFPs, I can't manipulate my emotions very quickly. ENFPs, I'm too slow witted, even though I love social things, plus I'm too deep. ENFJs, too good socially and too energetic. INTJs, too linnear, but maybe that how I was born and I grew around it. ISTJs, too practicle. ISTPs too cool and cold. ISFJs, god, sometimes I feel dangerously close to being one, they describe them so much as what I aspire not to be but might actually be deep down; they are so lamely described, I have a strong mind! ISFPs, maybe when I have some twisted perspective, I'll believe it, same for all other unmentioned sensates. Please Help People, try my thinking on, if you think you have the type for me nailed, go for it. If you can't decide, start thinking about what I could actually be in a more flexible sense. I don't know what I mean really, just use your intuition to give me a wholesome, truly wholesome answer if you can. -- Grant |
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| A9 Its just that...I don't really understand how the different functions work. I can read the descriptions and comprehend individual parts, so I can piece my understanding together, but it never comes together quite right. It doesn't seem like I am capable of understanding the big picture automatically like many people, I find myself piecing things together, and I have found myself to be incredibly skilled at that...people who comprehend things instantly really bug me, because they see it the way everyone else does, they are incapable of seeing things differently, because they don't put things together in their own unique way, it just happens for them. Which function is supposed to govern the...I don't know what to call it... "the complexity of your perspective?" If there is one thing I am not, its simple. If anyone ever calls me a simpleton, I find it very hard not to let it get to me. Other things that might seem to imply it to me based on whatever "defense mode" I am currently in, include stupid, weak minded, and shallow. Because of this parts to whole understanding I have, I find it really hard to grasp the functions as a whole. I suspect that you'll say Ni...but how does mental complexity have anything to do with foresight? My dad took mbti tests a while back and based on socionics descriptions, I think he is an INTP. He is often incredibly oblivious to his surroundings and he is a nice gentle person, but often he doesn't understand or care why people feel the way they do. He is a good problem solver and very patient, and he loves things like the wall street journal, definately Te related. I used to think he was kind of simple, when really since he doesn't naturally have vulnerable feelings, he doesn't bother as much to constantly develop complicated defenses and thought patterns in the way I do, to cope emotionally with social situations. He isn't bound to introspection the way I am because he doesn't naturally take social pressures to heart as quickly. Sound like an INTP? Since I'm similar but more sensitive and less sure of myself, INFP initially digests very easily. Except how does Fe work and how does Fi work, I find it very hard to discriminate between the two in practice sometimes. Why do you think I initially scored ISTJ on a simple MBTI? I scored it, and then read the description and was ****ed, so I decided that I was more of a P than a J, god forbid me being a weak F type or a corny, pretentious N, or of course your typical E(the thought never crossed my mind); this was how I first understood the typing system back as a young highschool student. I thought I was a more realistic person because I was more mature and finely descriminating than my peers, so I answered yes on the "S" questions on the stupid test. J and T together seemed to mean logical and "spock like", and this was perhaps what I was trying to emulate. Touchy feely people also got on my nerves, because they seemed to be synonomous with stupid and pretentious, so I was in horrible denial. I discredited J, because ISTJs seemed "idiotic" based on the description, of course I don't think that now, but I still don't want to be one. Anyways, N remained an unexplored potential identity, and I briefly spent time trying to prove i was ISTP/J and not ISFJ/P. Then my definition of spock was became synonimous with INTJ, and I thought, "scientist type, thats me!"(simplified of course). Then I saw INFJ, I thought, "emotionally controlled and socially good, not me, but my dad told me I was sensitive, maybe this is my key to understanding that, INFP is far fetched, aren't they attention seekers and dramatists?". Well, the discovery of socionics sped up the evolution of my thought in typing systems exponentially, but a million things crossed my mind but I still didn't get it. Well that was a bit tangential, I still have this suspicion that Ps have a characteristic to their outlook that contradicts me, I would love to be called a P, because it would explain my shifting interests and really, abnormally unstable views, as well as my inability to do things I don't want to do. INFP is very digestable if I understand it a certain way..., sounds like an unusual type, haha... -- Grant |
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| A10 And, I definately caught your advice A5 aka, mr. ISTP. I thought it was total bull**** for a while. Its stupid to let it influence your life too much, but I think I'm at the mercy of my negative thoughts on this one...I was having trouble with teachers and students at my school, and that is probably why personality type theories resurfaced in my mind, I wanted backup in knowing that I was a worthwhile person and that I had innate uniqueness to me that these jerks could never emulate. I thought I was on the road to happiness a few months ago and it all went downhill again, and now I find myself her yet again, after over a year. I'm only 17, why is my life so complicated? I'll try to forget if I can't settle on INFP for very long... -- Grant |
| A11 Okay, so I say this partly out of curiousity, partly out of trying not to get led astray: Why should I trust you? You're counter-intuitive to my impression of what an S type should sound like, particularly an extraverted sensate. And if you are an ESFP, aren't you simply not inclined to get this deep into understanding things? That's why i get so confused, you being an ESFP, you should be totally, different, almost alien from me in mind... You say things with quite the authority, and these are abstract concepts. Socionics paints intuition out to epitomize abstaction, and this was a nice definition for me, because it meant I could be an Intuitive, therefore I could be special, because I had generally different takes on things. I'm rambling...my question is certainly not exclusively, how can you be a sensate? More of, if you can be a sensate, how the hell can I be an intuitive? Are you going to pull the card, "who says a dominant sensate can't have a well developed intuition?" Or is there something about strong Se and Fe principles or something rather, that can enable a good grasp of concepts. Or are you regurgitating facts with your excellant memory and it sunken in a bit...i'm suspicious, because your coherent use of the word "impression" makes me doubtful of that regurgitation theory. -- grant |
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