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| Question #1238604242 | Wednesday, 1-Apr-2009 |
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| I tend to always be uneasy with ENFps, and often end up hating them. For a while they seem like the biggest, most arrogant assholes on the planet, who don't know the meaning of the word humility. And then a realization creeps up on me, they are simply just smarter than me...INTjs, to you I'm sure they just look stupid or unfocused. To me(I don't know what I am), they seem like they don't try, it always seems to me like I have everything they have+humility, then I stop and think that maybe they are just smarter or that they are exactly like me but embrace what they are. Their ideas never seem conceptually very deep, but you find that they have reasons to validate these ideas, that "come from the heart", and I'm usually inclined to discredit that as total bull****, completely and absolutely pretentious. They don't seem to really understand their feelings, and I think I'm everything they are and more, so what authority could they possibly have over me... I don't know what type I am, but this is the kind of behavior a supervisee(or however you spell it), shows towards the supervisor isn't it(which ever one is the dominant one, ...S.visee or S.visor)? How could I be some stupid ISFJ? Or is it conflict behavior? How could I be some rigid, heartless, ISTJ? I saw this obscure thing on a socionics forum a long time ago that proposed this theory, seemed like it was pretty well thought out...I don't know how it explained itself but it suggested that highly intelligent members of a specific type often take on the traits of the the type they supervise. Thus you wind up with really intense personalities like say...ENFP-ISFJ, or INTJ-ENFPs, or INFP-ESFJS, or ISTJ-ESFPs, or ESFP-INFJs, ENFJ-INTPs(eureka?). These look possible for me if this theory makes any sense at all. Why would I be so at conflict with ENFps? Am I simply an ENFj? Because I don't want to think I'm an ISTj, they are too plain. Still ENFj? The actor? Sounds stupid, I mean I'm bold, but I'm also very shy. Plus Fe is painted out to be such a superficial function. Maybe that explains why I simply cannot understand myself, because Fe prevents me from digesting the notion of true emotional humility. Well, as usual, this got way longer than I wanted it to. Answer about the ENFPs, that was my initial question. Do they **** anyone else off in the same way I describe? Does this sound like a feeler semi-dual relation. And does that elitist sounding theory of highly intelligent people make any sense, do you think its possible that it isn't just empty elitism? God, this is all so esoteric, but I can't stop thinking about it. -- Grant |
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| A13 But, in the fashion that socionics is in fact legit(though not necessarily very meaningful), I would much rather be an ENTP. Maybe I'd have some self esteem knowing I was one. I don't know why I'm so depressed that I need to depend on socionics...I'm not looking for stereotypes though, I'm just obsessed with information, and this directly applies to people, including myself. Because really, I am so stupid when it comes to "practice", its the theories that make sense to me, why else would I hide behind socionics...why would I take it so seriously, a practicle type certainly would not take it to heart the way I do. Plus, isn't "attempting to understand and reunderstand over and over again" a creative Ti thing? Isn't constantly checking over everything something that someone of dominant Ne would do. ISTjs get their work done, they are reliable, me, I'm not and the public school system has taught me to not be proud of it. One of my best friends ever was/is a female ENTP I believe, but then again, I don't know for sure; but we found it hard to talk after a while because we would run out of things to talk about, then someone would figure it out. I'm a mess and she was secure to an extent, she was a wonderful anchor, she helped me be proud of who I was for a while, and I didn't feel like such a bad, lame, person, nor did I think that of many others, then something went wrong again, god knows what... -- grant |
| A14 Actually, she might be an INFJ. She has that manor to her that I initially thought was related to INFJs. Too bad I'm not good enough for her. ESTJ actually sounds possible for me(the way I see it now), a distressed ESTJ becomes horribly passive agressive, they are perfectionists, and I do believe that my thinking is exploitative, and this is something I sometimes regret about myself, I can't just take things, I have to use them. Its occured to me in the past, and would explain why I find a "distressing amount of similarity" between myself and the ISTJ, as they seem reactive to me. I've also never been one for actors and fakes, and I don't claim to have humility, I just strive for it and become discouraged when I realize I'm far from it, I don't know if it was ENFPs of ENFJs that make me so angry sometimes, I think it might be ENFjs because they seem over-zealous and superficial. ENFPs are very entertaining, I've just been getting my types mixed up because I can't decide on myself. Also, I believe Te types prefer to "show" their understanding, not tell as Ti types to. This what I tend to do and is why I haven't made much sense to the INTjs here. The thing is, I feel totally alone, I never encounter people like me, I encounter less extreme versions of myself that seem better at conforming. If I wasn't so socially good at adapting, I'd probably be considered a bit autistic. -- Grant |
| A15 Actually, I'm back to thinking I am an ENTJ...I would like that very much...I tend to prefer being and extraverted intutive. Necessary update once again... Sensing types tend to work well in groups right? I simply don't do that well. At my worst, I can go out of my way to hit people where it hurts, though I often regret it. But anyways, do you see how I've been showing not telling, its been pretty much unconscious actually. You are right, I "use things", but I am not immoral all the same, sometimes my thoughts just get ahead of me. That is very much intuitive. Yeah, ENTJ...please be an ENTJ... Very strange, I know, I'm not going to lie about my thoughts though. Yeah yeah...fine, be your goddamned precious ENTJ, I know...you have know clue how much this eats away at me, and I feel so stupid for letting it. -- Grant. |
| A16 Well, I just can't stop posting can I...I also never openly expressed my consideration of ESFP. Much of the description fit me, I can't help but complain about things, and people who control their emotions... well, they frighten me. Then again, people say I'm calm, but its just an act. When I was younger, I was really quick to cry, and I never wanted to be yelled at. I also have a way with people, though I may not be the most tactful person socially(partly out of choice), children and elderly people tend to like me very much, because I am actually very nice and sincere about my thoughts and feelings. I don't let inhibitions prevent me from doing what I think is right, and sometimes I uselessly fight just to prove points...whenever someone tells me to be more sensitive, I know they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to me, they are treating me like I am like an insensitive version of themselves. Plus whenever someone tells me I'm inflexible, that really pushes my buttons, as though I don't get some things, I am often the one bending over backwards to try to grasp something, and I have to tolerate it, I don't like it at all though, because I am an expressive person. Really, many of those who consider themselves flexible like INTjs are just quick witted, and recieve everything they need to get things through their intuition. They are reluctant to think another way about it. ISTJs, they are the epitomy of pain to me, I feel like I'm being told what to do often by people much less understanding than myself. I also think people will think I'm like them because I don't get things as fast, but really, I am quite open and flexible. I hope I don't just get criticisms for "stereotyping" once again. If that is the case I don't know what I'll do. I've really been pushed into a vulnerable spot and I'm at my worst at this point in my life, can you please be gentle, after all, I'm pretty much powerless anyways so why should you pretend like anything I say offends you. -- Grant |
| A17 Grant; Have some chats with people who are close to you. Take a break from thinking about Socionics and trying to describe yourself. Take some time to enjoy the little things in your life for a bit. Find some peace and contentment and then come back here, your mind will be that much clearer. The world is a beautiful place, embrace it. Always remember that we are so much more than a simple Type. -- INTj laddie |
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| A18 Alright man. You make it seem like a given type is only capable of a certain set of things. Which is not true, every man is just as capable as the next, regardless of personality factors, character traits, blah blah blah. The point is that you need to get off websites like these, and live your life. Try and forget about personality nonsense poppycock, and look at everyone as if they're a Human being rather than a personality type. You have to realize that every human being is complex. Everyone has a unique face and a unique voice, and to each his own sound. Theres 6+ billion ppl in this world, and 16 personality types. Nothings going to exactly describe you, and when reading a personality description, think "vague-as-possible". Cal Ripken Jr 4 Life. -- ISTp |
| A19 Or just take the socionics type test and be done with it... -- INFp guy |
| A20 Of course ENTPs are "better" than ENFPs, you silly nilly! There's no need for argument.~ENTP -- Anonymous |
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