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Old 05/04/2006, 04:37 PM
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and really slick hair!
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Old 06/04/2006, 02:01 AM
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I definitely wouldn't want to deal with being a dictator, either. ENTp is the only type that makes sense to me when I put everything together, but I agree, something feels off about it. But there was something off about Hitler I assume.

It was a different time and place in history and people were different.
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Old 06/04/2006, 03:02 AM
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Rumsfeld is actually an ISTj.
O, right. I was actually thinking of Wolfowitz. They're all the same to me anyways, bunch of war-mongering... i'll stop there.
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But there was something off about Hitler I assume.
Maybe he was an alien ?
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Old 06/04/2006, 08:00 AM
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Have you guys seen the classic south park episode where Cartman gives Butters a Hitler mustasche made out of his crap? That is hilarious.

I don't know... I don't think Hitler is an ENTp. I don't know any ENTp's who would like to have the tremendous amount of power that he did.

Perhaps he is an apparent anomaly to the socionics theory: sort of like a table suddenly moving up because all of the particles in it randomly moved in the same direction. Or maybe he is just so hard to type because he was such a genuinely screwed up individual.

Regardless, I am thinking , and I would say that he is a thinking type, so I would go with ESTp. So many political leaders are this type (Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell) as well, which is, I think, a consequence of what political leaders have to do in order to gain power, which is to convey confidence and practical intelligence. A good deal of this is also to get people to like you emotionally, which fits in with the hidden agenda of ESTp's (this of course also fits with ENTp, but that is beside the point).

Whatever, just some random thoughts I had while I was playing with chemicals today.
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Old 06/04/2006, 08:24 AM
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Rumsfeld is actually an ISTj.
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Old 06/04/2006, 08:29 AM
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Don't try to divert the attention away from yourself: =

Guy w/goatee is Sergei Ganin.
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Old 06/04/2006, 10:34 AM
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Don't try to divert the attention away from yourself: <img border="0" alt="[goatee]" title="goatee" src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/goatee.gif" /> = <img border="0" alt="[alien]" title="alien" src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" />

Guy w/goatee is Sergei Ganin.
The mutant alien skull man has a smile for all smiles, an answer for all answers.... but does he answer any questions?
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Old 21/07/2006, 10:05 AM
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Epic said, some time ago..
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ENTp is the only type that makes sense to me when I put everything together, but I agree, something feels off about it.
Perhaps the "off" bit is that for much of his public life Hitler had a sizable drug (amphetamines) addiction and syphilis - both of which can cause brain damage and would probably make him hard to type accurately. Based on that, he could have been any base type, but the abused brain chemistry made him into someone capable of those acts.

This is entirely speculative though...I could happily be a dictator, so long as I only had to appear on TV once every 6 months, and I wasn't expected to help the ignorant :-)
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Old 21/07/2006, 01:02 PM
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Oh, and Einstein being ENTp is the most god forsaken idiot idea I have ever heard in my life.
Amen to that! Einstein was a definite introvert -- anyone who knows the least bit about his life can see that clearly. Whoever typed him as an ENTp must have been obsessed by the Te content of his work and concluded that Te was his first function.

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The guy changed our ideas of TIME for god's sakes. What more evidence do you need?
Ah, then there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what "introverted intuition," the intuition of time, is all about. Intuition of time is really intuition of sequence, which displays itself most commonly in the external world as intuition of (temporal) sequence, i.e. "time."

Einstein changed our notion of the structure of TIME; an idea that is a quintessential exemplar of intuition of potential -- black intuition.

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Or was it that he wasn't a "businessman" and thus could not have been Gamma? LOL
That's more the point but still not quite it. First, forget about Myers-Briggs. Under MBTI Einstein was most definitely an INTP. Notwithstanding I would say that most MBTI INTPs are soconics INTj's. Augusta divided people differently than Isabel Myers-Briggs did. It isn't that a socionics INTp is interested in business necessarily; rather it is the way they think. The thinking of an INTp is methodological and ad hoc. Something Einstein wouldn't have abided. The man's life was dedicated to the pursuit of the single, permanent principle that governed the universe -- the ultimate extroverted intuition if you will.
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Old 21/07/2006, 10:25 PM
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I would say saying Einstein were ISFj or ESTp or something would maybe be considered a "godforsaken idiot idea" but why ENTp? I don't know alot about Einstein's relativity (and I'll bet most people here don't know a whole lot about relativity, either, although they might put up a front like they do). To me Einstein has a warm face with sad eyes. He has a friendly and happy demeanor and in no way resembles any NT than ENTp. Einstein's brand of effervescence seems to be more of an Ne thing. But that's all based on my personal experience. Perhaps I should read more about him.

Personally I am tired of hearing his name every time someone says "genius" and think he is a little bit overdone.
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Old 22/07/2006, 01:01 AM
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Einstein's brand of effervescence seems to be more of an Ne thing. But that's all based on my personal experience. Perhaps I should read more about him.
Yeah, where I wrote Te in my previous post I meant Ne ( ). Pardon my dyslexia.

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Personally I am tired of hearing his name every time someone says "genius" and think he is a little bit overdone.
Me too, but the man did turn physics upside down with nothing more than his mind and a fountain pen. What're ya gonna do?

Interesting that we're discussing Einstein, a jew, who resented his German heritage in a thread about Hitler. I think it is of no use to attempt to type someone who is as deeply disturbed as Hitler.
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Old 22/07/2006, 06:52 AM
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Well I personally think that Hitler and Einstein are very similar men. But since it's a sensitive topic I'll leave it at that.
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Isn't having the ability to make good speeches which attract people Fe? His ideas are the expression of the repressed Ti. I don't see how can he have the type of Einstein.

In terms of enneagram, Hitler is unfortunately counterphobic 6. But Freud is a 6 also. This is just to say that our enneatype is not what imports, what imports is what we do with our enneatype. The case is the same in Jungian typology. This is just to answer your sentence:

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If someone discovers that his type is the same as Hitler's one, he must not be shocked. Otherwise he will be idiot.
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Old 28/07/2006, 09:04 PM
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enneatype has never caught my interest so I know virtually nothing about it. I am not sure about their numbered types and if they really do have any connection with the sociotype.

I believe that it is possible for a logical type to be passionate and manipulative. Perhaps moreso than an ethical type. The speeches are a separate aspect of the life and do not constitute the core of the personality.
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Old 29/07/2006, 10:33 AM
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Perhaps a good question to ask would be what were Hitlers strengths? How did he influence others exactly?
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What is it?
more importantly....what causes a guy to go nuts like that?
what intertype relationship, if any, is resposible for screwing up your signals and make you go nuts if you become possessed by it ?
Superego ?
Conflicting?
Control?
Illusionary?
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Any conclusions? I did not elaborate on his demagogic abilities, i think this is obvious.
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1. Hitler was, first and foremost, determined to command personally. According to his so-called Leader Principle (F├╝hrerprinzip), ultimate authority rested with him and extended downward. At each level, the superior was to give the orders, the subordinates to follow them to the letter.
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7. He was friendly and showed self-control to foreigners. He knew well the topics of discussion. He was remarkably convincing as an interlocutor; especially during private meetings, where he would show dignity and frankness.
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He knew how to leave a strong impression. He answered questions very rapidly and gave the impression of the utmost sincerity.
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His sphere of activity would range from phantasmagories to carefully staged theatricals.
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With no formal qualifications, he had become an aimless drifter and failed artist...
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3. Every point had to be correct and consistent with previous briefings, for Hitler had an incredible memory for detail and would become annoyed at any discrepancies.
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4. In terms of man-management, Hitler was - astonishingly enough - a very considerate boss. He was adored by those who worked closest with him. He remembered their names and birthdays, visited them when they were ill, and they repaid him with lifetime devotion, even after his crimes became generally known.
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People showed him respect because he had succeeded in reestablishing law and order and reducing unemployment.
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...although his award of the Iron Cross First Class showed that he did not lack courage.
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He was a monomaniac (cared about only one thing at a time), difficult to influence and not inclined to collaboration.
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After a time, those who called themselves his advisors became afraid of the excesses of his government and of its risky policies. One can talk of childishness and infantilism regarding his fits of passion, that even his generals and Feld-Marshalls feared, to the point of becoming trembling and insignificant puppets before him.
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His willpower was far above average. All that could be obtained through force of the will and fanaticism, he would get. However, he was unstable and lacked self-confidence in certain circumstances. His anger betrayed his inability to find solutions in complicated situations.
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If he discarded reason, it was because it didn't agree with him.
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6. To fully understand Hitler, one must not forget that he took his dreams for plain reality. He was inaccessible to doubts or advice to show restrain or moderation. This raw power of imagination and desire was never weakened during the war, even when events took a turn for the worse.
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He had only visions and the power allowing him to grasp the possibilities offered by all kinds of situations, of which he would take advantage swiftly and forcibly.
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2. On several occasions in his life, facing important or difficult choices, he simply couldn't decide what to do.
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As a tactician, Hitler has always been afraid of the irrevocability of so-called final decisions. He never had at any moment a goal that he could state precisely or a real and clear strategy revealing what his intentions were.
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He changed reality in accordance to his own desires and prejudgments. For a time, his prejudices, inadequacies and ignorance served him well. But later, these deficiencies of his character will hasten his fall.
P, with all of the faults to which megalomaniacal non-J would-be conquerors are prone; his immense power allowed subordinates to focus on J-type functions which he would incompetently presuppose

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He made a clever use of numerous but superficial bits of knowledge and was served by a prodigious memory. He could delude the best of judges. He gave to superficial notions the aspect of detailed knowledge. He could fool even experts: very experienced statesmen who met him in several occasions believed him to be a real statesman, and a trustworthy one.
ESFP is described by the Keirsey Temperament Sorter as the 'Performer'

Hitler had a lot of charisma (E), and was very socially-focused (F) as you can tell by his overwhelming propaganda; he seemed to have a thirst for territory (S) and was known to make uninformed descisions (P) that caused his own generals to rebel. He didn't create fascism, (it was Mussolini's brainchild), he just popularized it in post-war Germany by giving loud speeches in the Beer Halls of Munich (something a performer would do) and trying to instigate a political coup there, for which he was sent to jail (where he wrote the theatrical Mein Kampf). This martyrdom marked the beginning of Adolf Hitler's political career.
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