Does intpwurm sound better than intjwurm?

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

A lot of bullshit and very little evidence.

What exactly?

Where does IntjWurm say that he identifies with INTp?

On kensi's type thread.

It is not a theory that I have. It is the plain and indisputable truth. It's just a fact.

Ok, so what has gone wrong is what I'm wondering.

You cannot test and identify with INTJ if you are an INTp -- unless you are severely deluded. Where are the facts? Where is your evidence for the claim that IntjWurm is now an INTp?

What sort of evidence do you need? He identifies with INTp, he posts like INTp, SG already said he looks kinda INTp in his picture.

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

intjwurm, was it good to have everyone talking about you?

Yes it was. I learned a lot.

Originally Posted by Prometheus

@ IntjWurm:
By natural born temperament, when you can choose freely and are not tied by external obligations, you are more of an early bird than a night owl, are you not, IntjWurm?

I have more physical energy early in the morning but I am more psychologically settled late at night.

Originally Posted by RSV3

No no no: INTJ --> INTx. And intjwurm has concluded he is an INTp and has changed his user name to shadowpuppet.

I test 100% for I, N, and T, but only 66% for J (in MBTT). I obviously have characteristics of both, and can even come off as one or the other in different contexts (I tend to have an INTj attitude with respect to things that don't interest me very much). I am hereby inclined to speculate that I am INTx, until more conclusive evidence can be accumulated.

[Kanerou]

Originally Posted by shadowpuppet

I test 100% for I, N, and T, but only 66% for J (in MBTT). I obviously have characteristics of both, and can even come off as one or the other in different contexts (I tend to have an INTj attitude with respect to things that don't interest me very much). I am hereby inclined to speculate that I am INTx, until more conclusive evidence can be accumulated.

Good idea, IMO. Love your avatar, by the way - or, at least, its relevance to your new handle.

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by Kanerou

Good idea, IMO. Love your avatar, by the way - or, at least, its relevance to your new handle.

Thank you.

[IntjWurm]

This will be my last post as IntjWurm; I just wanted to inform you that I will only be posting under the identity used above. Please refrain from addressing me as 'IntjWurm' in the future to prevent confusion.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

What exactly?

It is bullshit that IntjWurm identifies with INTp -- he does not do it more than he identifies with INTj. It is bullshit that he acts like an INTp, and it is bullshit that he show signs of Fe PoLR.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

On kensi's type thread.

Yeah, I've seen it now. And it's pathetic. You seem to have brainwashed IntjWurm into accepting your ridiculous idea that he is an INTp. Take that detail from RSV3's little test that RSV3 commented:

Originally Posted by RSV3

Furthermore, INTps don't want things to have definite conclusions, they want endless possibilites, no closure, continued expansion, (which is why I gave you the finite v. infinite question which you answered as an INTp would). INTjs want things structured, to find the end to to things, find the boundaries and limits of things; INTjs don't want to be constantly examining an endless stream of possibilites.

This is totally wrong. The truth is almost the exact opposite to what is said here. INTjs explore possibilities in their minds (), whereas INTps try to nail down the facts (). That INTjs are more structured in their living, and that they makes decisions quickly and too hastily (in the eyes of the INTp) is another matter completely.

The fact is that IntjWurm answered most of the test questions exactly as a typical INTj would, whereas I would have answered several of them differently. That little test gave us another test result that rather clearly suggests INTj as IntjWurm's correct type. Every test result of his seems to indicate INTj, and yet you incompetent fools insist on INTp. That's pathetic.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

What sort of evidence do you need? He identifies with INTp, he posts like INTp, SG already said he looks kinda INTp in his picture.

IntjWurm does not post like an INTp more than he posts like an INTj. SG has suggested that he looks like an INTp, but I have said that he looks like an INTj. Well, either SG or I are obviously wrong about it.

Originally Posted by shadowpuppet

I test 100% for I, N, and T, but only 66% for J (in MBTT). I obviously have characteristics of both, and can even come off as one or the other in different contexts (I tend to have an INTj attitude with respect to things that don't interest me very much). I am hereby inclined to speculate that I am INTx, until more conclusive evidence can be accumulated.

What you say here is evidence for INTj and nothing else. Period.

Originally Posted by shadowpuppet

I have more physical energy early in the morning but I am more psychologically settled late at night.

And this finally settles your correct type once and for all. You are just like every single INTj I know in real life or have read about in the literature. That you have more physical energy in the morning means that you are an early bird by natural temperament. And in that you are similar to every INTj I know of, and you are different from every single INTp I know of.

Every INTj is an early bird. Every INTp is a night owl.

You are an INTj, shadowpuppet (also known as IntjWurm). The case is closed.

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

And this finally settles your correct type once and for all. You are just like every single INTj I know in real life or have read about in the literature. That you have more physical energy in the morning means that you are an early bird by natural temperament. And in that you are similar to every INTj I know of, and you are different from every single INTp I know of.

Every INTj is an early bird. Every INTp is a night owl.

You are an INTj, shadowpuppet (also known as IntjWurm). The case is closed.

You may very well be correct in your assertions. I think that a definitive reference that is formulated entirely with socionics and not MBTT may be necessary to solve the dispute, as there is not a direct correlation between analogous functions in the two theories, and there has been a rather prevalent trend for promoting dissent on the meanings of such things as Te, Ne, etc, in socionics (which is perhaps the greatest obstacle to success in our present task). However, I realize that you are very meticulous in your typing (a very INTp quality), unlike your opposition, so I will not dismiss your opinion lightly.

[shadowpuppet]

I too am slow to attribute a general socionics type to someone without lots of definitive information and proof, I suppose that is why we are both in the reactionary element. INTps are also supposedly resistant to judgments in general and generally oppose novel advocacies given absolute certainty to diminish the totality of perceived authority and general applicability.

[kensi]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

It is bullshit that IntjWurm identifies with INTp -- he does not do it more than he identifies with INTj. It is bullshit that he acts like an INTp, and it is bullshit that he show signs of Fe PoLR.
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You'll have to talk to RSV3; he, being an INTj doesn't think intjwurm is an INTj as well.

[IntjWurm]

I'm Back...

[complicater-complexer]

You have erased your location so that nobody tells you again that you can't be an autopreservation 5

[shadowpuppet]

Actually I gave you an even more specific location in my new user profile because I'm taunting you.

Lebanon is on the other end of the Earth...

1^2 - 0^2 = 1
2^2 - 1^2 = 3
3^2 - 2^2 = 5
4^2 - 3^2 = 7
5^2 - 4^2 = 9
6^2 - 5^2 = 11
7^2 - 6^2 = 13
8^2 - 7^2 = 15
9^2 - 8^2 = 17
10^2 - 9^2 =19
x^2 - (x-1)^2 = 2x - 1

[complicater-complexer]

By creating two accounts you are causing confusions for the readers. I don't think Sergei will be happy with that.

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by complicater-complexer

By creating two accounts you are causing confusions for the readers. I don't think Sergei will be happy with that.

I had to change it because I am INTJ in MBTT but not socionics and that confusion alone contributed to both the formation of this thread and the 150+ posts that followed. SG thinks I look INTpish anyways...

Originally Posted by SG

BTW IntjWurm, you look kinda INTpish on that photo. Do you have more photos?

[complicater-complexer]

Sergei didn't confirm INTp. He said : in that particular photo you look like an INTp. INTp is just a hypothesis for the moment.

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by complicater-complexer

Sergei didn't confirm INTp. He said : in that particular photo you look like an INTp. INTp is just a hypothesis for the moment.

I realize that in socionics, much more than in MBTT, type is determined by the social hierarchy I mean perceptions of others and relationship tendencies...what do you think I am?

[complicater-complexer]

Originally Posted by shadowpuppet

I realize that in socionics, much more than in MBTT, type is determined by the social hierarchy I mean perceptions of others and relationship tendencies...what do you think I am?

Honeslty I don't have enough info. But I see that you have some common points with me which doesn't mean necessarily that we have the same type, but that we have close types. ISTp and INTp would work!

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by complicater-complexer

Honeslty I don't have enough info. But I see that you have some common points with me which doesn't mean necessarily that we have the same type, but that we have close types. ISTp and INTp would work!

Before I had ever heard of socionics, when I was getting into MBTT, I expected to score as INTP because I tend to adapt to accommodate specific circumstances, and I rarely perform tasks ritually unless I'm trying increase efficiency (or to satisfy an obsessive compulsion) because the principle on which the ritual is based is rarely universally applicable for most practical purposes (the way I see it). I was initially very surprised that I scored 83% J and 17% P, but many of the questions were general enough that I could answer ambiguously and still seem like a 'J' type (here I mean with a preference for generality, not uncertainty).

[complicater-complexer]

Originally Posted by shadowpuppet

Before I had ever heard of socionics, when I was getting into MBTT, I expected to score as INTP because I tend to adapt to accommodate specific circumstances, and I rarely perform tasks ritually unless I'm trying increase efficiency (or to satisfy an obsessive compulsion) because the principle on which the ritual is based is rarely universally applicable for most practical purposes (the way I see it).

Did you verify your MBTI type using the help of a practitioner like I did?

[shadowpuppet]

Originally Posted by complicater-complexer

Did you verify your MBTI type using the help of a practitioner like I did?

No but I did verify it with multiple tests; I also retook some of them and answered differently where I was not absolutely sure and scored the same.