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Question #1122326250Monday, 25-Jul-2005
Category: Theory Genes
Hi. I have found that children tends to be in asymetrical relations with their parents. Eg. I sow 6 ISFp mothers with ISTj sons, 5 ISFj mothers with ISTp sons, 2 ENTp fathers with ENFj daughters, 2 ESFp fathers with ESTj sons and 2 ENTj fathers with INFp sons and daughters. But if mother and father are ESTj, the child is ESTj also. Of course, there is some corelation with genes. It seems, that personality is encoded in three or four genes and one or two are activated and one o two are hidden for next generation. Maybe these genes comes from diffrent monkeys? Eg. these from alpha socion are made of baboon genes It is very common, that child is with assymetrical relation with one parent. I am ENTp and I have INFj mother and ESTj father and an ISFp sister also The personality of my dog is unknown What do you think? What about socionics model and genes? -- false
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A1 Although there is no concrete evidnece, it seems to be true that if either a mother or a father is intuitive type, then their children are more likely to be intuitive type. If both parents are sensing type, their children are more likely to be sensing type. -- Anonymous
A2 Let's for the sake of the argument assume that S+N=N, N+S=N, S+S=S is true. What about N+N=? -- Dr Zoidberg
A3 I guess N+N more likely =N Maybe N is dominant over S. -- Anonymous
A4 Maybe N + N = NN A narcisst or something. I have found that many times + = pathology (eg. very agressive ESFp). -- false
A5 Re: The first answer. The problem with this theory is that if it is true then the whole world population should have been N type by now. If S types are born only in S+S family (assuming that there is equal amount of S and N types in the population in the beginning), then this would make 1:3 ratio between S and N types in the first generation. Then S types will become a permanent minority in each generation thereafter, until they are completely extinct. So it is either this theory is faulty or N types rule the world! -- Dr Zoidberg
A6 Well my mom is ISFj, dad is ESTp , but my twin brother is an INTj. My family is full of supervision relations. (mom supervises dad and I, dad and I supervise my brother). -- Herzblut
A7 [Ref:A6] I wonder how much of that is actually true... -- d-_-b
A8 false, could it be that you're seeeing so many assymetrical parent/child relations because those relationships are almost always assymetrical anyways? I mean either the parent holds complete authority or the child ignores the parent completely, regardless of their types. -- Woodrow
A9 I have an ESFJ mother and ISTP father and I'm an INFJ, but my sister is an ISFJ. If I had to guess, I'd say that S is dominant, that is why Sensors make up 75% of the population. The genotype (allele combination)could be SS=Sensor, Ss=Sensor, and ss=Intuiter. Mixing sensors and intuiter, has 3/4 Sensors and 1/4 Intuitive. I know that my I have at least on grandparent on each side that is an Intuiter. So each of my parents is Ss's and they'd have a 1/4th chance of having an ss (Intuitive) child. I want to know if/when they identify the E/I, N/S, T/F, P/J genes! -- INFJ
Moderator's comment
The statistics on type distribution among total population varies significantly from source to source and often lacks a proper scientific research, which brings a question whether it should even be used as a reference.
A10 My dad is an INFP, my mom is an INTJ... as a result they had my brother, INTP, me INFP, and my sister ISFJ. Similar with my uncle's family (my mother's brother). Uncle=INTJ, his wife=E/INFP, kids=INFJ, ESTJ, INFP. I think personality is something you are born with, but some aspects of personality can be shaped. Example: my dad is an INFP as I have already stated, but his father is an ESTJ, mother ENFJ, brother ESTP, and sister ESFJ. To those who do not know him well he seems extraverted, but he is actually very introverted. This ability to be extrverted probably comes from his family growing up, but he is in fact inately introverted. -- INFP girl
A11 Personality genes may be tied to the heritability of another gene set(s). E/I & T/F seems more heritable than S/N &J/P. There are also ethnicity trend. There are some published abstracts on Pubmed. Hard to say what is environment and what is genetic. Certainly I would like to see more studies. Handedness Right brain left brain may affect N/S axis, but I have seen no studies to date. -- pheonixnight hawk
A12 I've wondered about this very thing myself. I'm a 17 year old guy who's gotten interested in personality typing and type relationships. I'm using my family as an example in the study of type relationships in a family. Introvereted Sensors are very prominent in my family, and a penchant for introversion and sensing seems to be continuing down through the generations. I am the only intuitive in my family (very frusterating at times). And my grandma is the only extrovert. However, there seems to be no pattern for percieving/judging or thinking/feeling, which I think is typical amoung all populations. Grandpa (Dad): ISTP Grandma (Dad): ESTJ Grandpa (Mom): ISTJ Dad: ISTP Mom: ISFJ Derek: ISTP Me: INFJ -- J. McAtee
A13 A1: Both of my parents are sensing types and I am an entp. N is probably recessive. A person needs both copies of the N gene to be an N type. I guess that explains why 3/4ths of the general population are sensing types. -- ENTP
A14 @a13 I find it hard to fit your comments in my model of ENTp. 3/4 population, come on, are you some kind of NF person? I sense lack of if anything. -- Dr. Zoidberg
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A15 How can you sense a lack of anything from three sentences? If the stats were or are correct, I could see myself making the same generalization as a13. Although if it is factual that one's type is unchangeable, then that would definitely point to the obvious that it is simply genetics that determines type. All combinations could easily be identified assuming you had the whole family charted correctly. Good luck. Futhermore, the formula is over simplified because it would be NN+NN=NN or SN+NN=SN or NS+NS= either NN, SS or SN etc. assuming that S is dominant. If the stats are even close to 75% S in the population then obviously S would be dominant. However some traits blend like hair color and skin color so why would personality traits be any different. Perhaps that would be the reason some people are extremely T or F or just moderately so. Who knows, again it would be really hard to type everyone for sure in one's family going back for generations. I have been studying type for 12 or 13 years and I couldn't even begin to attempt this. Although I find socionics to be very accurate and I agree with the system as the model is correct and accurate. -- Another ENTP
A16 I'm sure I answered a very similar question here just recently. Basically the mendelian type approach to genetics, is in reality a stepping stone but far too simplified. The talk here is that there are basically two genes where this is n and s being dominant and recessive alleles. This model comes from what is commonly (and incorrectly I'm afraid to say!) taught at schools - in terms of eye colour where B brown is dominant to b blue. Fairly recent research shows that infact there are sixteen genes that affect eye colour (not two) Therefore using THAT logic for sixteen types would that mean sixteen times sixteen genes or times sixty four genes or some other massive number? Whatever the number is you can bet your last pair of matching socks there's going to be more than two involved hehe!The previous question I answered (I remember now) was by Chris-and I actually answered after a few at my local pub that day (infact I think I answered it better when under the influence than while sober hehe but here it stands!) To find out with one of potentially thousands of genes affect type would involve a massive undertaking of genome comparisons with psychological typing and various computer models-not very easy to do as a part time hobby! -- Cyclops
A17 hmm... My mother is an isfj, my father an entj, my sister an intj, and I am an entp. -- ENTp
A18 @a15. As for statistics, read moderator's comment @a9. As for genetics... then maybe you tell what do you mean by type, to start with? -- Dr. Zoidberg
A19 Most of these comments seem to be working off the assumption that type is genetic. Although certain aspects of it must be, I think some of it is learned behavior, albeit early-life ... and unless it's 100% genetic, how can we say exactly what is inherited and what is brought into manifestation? BTW, reading through the profiles, I would say my Dad is INTj, Mother is INTp, older sister is ISFj, I am ISTp, younger brother is ISFp, and younger sister is ENFj (poor thing!). -- iAnnAu
A20 A18: Thanks, I understand the moderator's comment....and exactly as there is no real way to measure which is dominant if it is genetics because of how hard it is to even tell 100% every time which type another is. Especially with different races, cultures, learned behavior etc. And taking into account the info. relayed by Cyclops, very interesting by the way, it would be nearly impossible to come up with an answer. iAnnAu: I have wondered that a lot myself. I think of my kids and how external reality has effected them and possibly their personality. My oldest has always been shy and now reserved still to this day. I always thought he was more F growing up, but he is clearly more T, I think he is ISTJ. Having two T parents, I sometimes wonder if he was influenced by a strong T environment to be less F. -- Another ENTP Chrissyc
A21 BTW, I've been reading the Intertype relations, and must now revise my initial typings of my family. Now, I'd say Dad: INTj, Mom: ISFj, older sis: ISFj, me: ISTp, younger bro: ISFp & youger sis: ENTp. Mom & Dad certainly sound like they have Super-Ego Relations, & I'm right in the middle of being Beneficiary to my Dad but Benefactor to my Mom, which puts my entire childhood into an amazing perspective. My relations with my younger sibs match up, too, although they are supposed to be duals to each other & somehow they pretty much only pick fights with each other. They're 10 years apart by age, so maybe that complicates things. I'm still a little unsure about my older sister's type, but everyone in the family (including both of them) say that she & Mom are exactly the same - in tastes, in temperament, in tendency to martyr themselves, etc. It's all very fascinating to think about. Just imagining my younger siblings getting along the best of all of us blows me away - but the description of duality does say that things can crumble early on, so maybe that's what happened to them, and they haven't both reached a level of maturity to overcome their initial problems. It's never too late, I hope! -- iAnnAu
A22 My father is an ENFj mother ISFj, my oldest sister ENTj, older sister INTj and me ENFj. we all clear vaule SE/NI, I always wonder where my older sister's NE/SI traits come from. -- 07490
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