ENFp's? From a ESTp Point of View

JWC3 · #1 22/04/2009, 01:26 AM

Why are female ENFp's so sensitive? I guess i am kind of generalizing but three of my close friends are Female ENFp's and i have a talent for teasing them just that little smidgen too much (B/C i never even realize that they are close to the 'emotional edge' and that I'm about to push them over) and then they bottle themselves up in their own little emotional world. Do all female ENFp's take a little teasing that harsh? Why am i going so far and never realizing it? Is there a way to tell when a ENFp is about to have an emotional cave in? Is there any way to cheer up a ENFp whom i have teased to much other than give them space?

Kanerou · #2 22/04/2009, 05:50 AM

What kind of teasing?

JWC3 · #3 22/04/2009, 04:33 PM

Two examples i can think of are

ENFp *has another text message and answers it*
ESTp's *talk amongst selves*
ENFp "What were you two saying? You never include me in the conversatin!"
ESTp1 *Chuckle* were sorry your so popular you can't be bothered to listen to our conversation
ESTp2 *smiles* Yeah why is it our fault that you can't listen and Text at the same time?
ENFp *throws phone and retreats into room/emotional bubble*

and Scenario two
Female ENFp "OMG! what day is it?"
Male ENFP "Uh, Thursday? No Wednesday. It's Wednesday."
ESTp "Why?"
Female ENFp "Cause america's next top model is on on Thursdays"
ESTp *smiles* "I figured" *does a feminine hand flip making fun of the show*
Female ENFp "It's not that bad."
ESTp *Does the hand flip again*
Female ENFp "Right, well I'm not putting up with this" *Leaves*

And in both scenarios there was teasing done before the breaking point moment described here. But it was all along those lines, i really didn't think i was being hurtfull and being hurtfull wasn't my intention.

**Banter** · #4 22/04/2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JWC3

Two examples i can think of are

ENFp *has another text message and answers it*
ESTp's *talk amongst selves*
ENFp "What were you two saying? You never include me in the conversatin!"
ESTp1 *Chuckle* were sorry your so popular you can't be bothered to listen to our conversation
ESTp2 *smiles* Yeah why is it our fault that you can't listen and Text at the same time?
ENFp *throws phone and retreats into room/emotional bubble*

HAHAHA .... Yea, ENFp's fault ! If answering text messages is more important than your conversation, I must assume that your conversation wasn't that interesting for the ENFp anyway. So, why does the ENFp make such a fuss about it ??? What ESTp1+2 said! No teasing in my book ... well, not really.

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and Scenario two
Female ENFp "OMG! what day is it?"
Male ENFP "Uh, Thursday? No Wednesday. It's Wednesday."
ESTp "Why?"
Female ENFp "Cause america's next top model is on on Thursdays"
ESTp *smiles* "I figured" *does a feminine hand flip making fun of the show*
Female ENFp "It's not that bad."
ESTp *Does the hand flip again*
Female ENFp "Right, well I'm not putting up with this" *Leaves*

Uhm ... a chill-pill may help her to survive till the next day. lol

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And in both scenarios there was teasing done before the breaking point moment described here. But it was all along those lines, i really didn't think i was being hurtfull and being hurtfull wasn't my intention.

Seems like "your" ENFp's are a little touchy, huh? Allowed "to be shot". lol I know I'm not of great help here but I just couldn't resist.

complicater-complexer · #5 22/04/2009, 09:57 PM

ENFps appear to be pretty flexible at first, until their Fi comes out... I agree that ENFps are too sensitive, but their sensitivity comes out in the form of agressivity. They know how to make me feel guilty. I personally don't like to get very close to them, from distance they are interesting.

pgroxursox · #6 23/04/2009, 04:15 PM

enfp's may be sensitive and all but you have to realize how to deal with women, which sounds like it's not your strong suit.

stanprollyright · #7 24/04/2009, 01:23 AM

Women are generally a lot more sensitive than guys. Period. And F women, which is most of them, especially so. You're problem is with women in general, not ENFp's.

JWC3 · #8 24/04/2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stanprollyright

Women are generally a lot more sensitive than guys. Period. And F women, which is most of them, especially so. You're problem is with women in general, not ENFp's.

False, I don't think are girls are necessarily more sensitive than guys. I do think that F's will be more sensitive than T's and i can see why you would think that girls are more sensitive than guys since we know like all the same people and every girl either one of us knows well enough to type IS a F

stanprollyright · #9 24/04/2009, 08:25 AM

Firstly: I know lots of people you don't and you know people that I don't. I actually do know a few T girls.
Secondly: Women ARE more sensitive than guys, partially because most of them are F's, which would explain why you don't know any T girls apparently.
Thirdly: I will not argue the topic of women with you. You are vastly outmatched and you know it. You don't know how to deal with women.

JWC3 · #10 25/04/2009, 01:58 AM

You're a woman and i deal with you just fine. but seriously it is harder for me, i don't have the edge of being naturally feminine and i suck at empathy.

pgroxursox · #11 25/04/2009, 05:00 AM

I believe it's more socially acceptable for a girl to be more sensitive than a guy, as well is it a stereotype that girls are more sensitive, but this does not mean that they truly are. I know members of both genders who claim to not feel anything, as well do I know members of both genders who wear their heart/emotions on their sleeves.

Stan... you are more feminine then JWC3, but this does not mean JWC3 doesn't have his girly qualities. When dealing with the idea of dealing with women I would have to give a slight, very slight, advantage to Stan, but overall you boys need to realize that girls don't even get girls all of the time. To truly understand a girl you have to listen and just pray that what she is telling you is not bs...

So I wish luck to both of you in the journey of women, it's a bitchin' one. teehee

JWC3 · #12 25/04/2009, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pgroxursox

To truly understand a girl you have to listen and just pray that what she is telling you is not bs...

Listening is a given in any relationship and while listening can help you understand people in general, not just girls, I would rather have a general understanding of why i need to pray that a girl isn't telling me BS. Is it because she has my best interests at heart? Is she playing a game with me? Is she testing herself? Does she not know the truth?

This is hypothetical but chances are that studying socionics will give me a better understanding of people and through that a better understanding of girls.

To truly understand some one you need to do a lot more than listen because most of the time the people themselves don't know why they do the things they do. And when you understand the why you understand the person.

But really? I just want to learn to V.I. INFp's

stanprollyright · #13 27/04/2009, 05:08 PM

Guys, we all know each other, let's have this convo in person, please? thanks.

**Banter** · #14 27/04/2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JWC3

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Originally Posted by pgroxursox

To truly understand a girl you have to listen and just pray that what she is telling you is not bs...

Listening is a given in any relationship and while listening can help you understand people in general, not just girls, I would rather have a general understanding of why i need to pray that a girl isn't telling me BS. Is it because she has my best interests at heart? Is she playing a game with me? Is she testing herself? Does she not know the truth?

Understanding a Woman

We need REALLY MEANS I want.

You want REALLY MEANS You need.

It's your decision REALLY MEANS The correct decision should be obvious by now.

We need to talk REALLY MEANS I need to complain.

Do what you want REALLY MEANS You'll pay for this later.

You're ... so manly REALLY MEANS You need a shave and you sweat a lot.

Sure... go ahead REALLY MEANS I don't want you to.

I'm not upset REALLY MEANS Of course I'm upset, you moron!

You're certainly attentive tonight. REALLY MEANS Is sex all you ever think about?

I'm not emotional! And I'm not overreacting! REALLY MEANS I'm on my period.

This kitchen is so inconvenient REALLY MEANS I want a new house.

You have to learn to communicate. REALLY MEANS Just agree with me.

Yes REALLY MEANS No.

No REALLY MEANS No.

Maybe REALLY MEANS No.

I heard a noise REALLY MEANS I noticed you were almost asleep.

Do you love me? REALLY MEANS I'm going to ask for something expensive.

How much do you love me? REALLY MEANS I did something you're not going to like.

I'll be ready in a minute. REALLY MEANS Be patient I'll be a while.

Am I a little fat? REALLY MEANS Tell me I'm beautiful.

I'm sorry. REALLY MEANS You'll be sorry.

Do you like this recipe? REALLY MEANS It's easy to fix, so get used to it.

Was that the baby? REALLY MEANS Why don't you wake up and deal with the baby.

I'm not yelling! REALLY MEANS Yes I am yelling because I think this is important.

All we're going to buy is a soap dish REALLY MEANS Major shopping trip. Did you bring your checkbook?

Hope that helps!

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To truly understand some one you need to do a lot more than listen because most of the time the people themselves don't know why they do the things they do. And when you understand the why you understand the person.

Agreed.

pgroxursox · #15 27/04/2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JWC3

I would rather have a general understanding of why i need to pray that a girl isn't telling me BS. Is it because she has my best interests at heart? Is she playing a game with me? Is she testing herself? Does she not know the truth?
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There isn't a set reason why she isn't being completely honest with you, that varies with every lie or lack of truth she tells. All of those reasons you gave are possible and probable reasons.

I do agree with these but only the following:

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Understanding a Woman

We need REALLY MEANS I want.

You want REALLY MEANS You need.

It's your decision REALLY MEANS The correct decision should be obvious by now.

We need to talk REALLY MEANS I need to complain.

Do what you want REALLY MEANS You'll pay for this later.

You're ... so manly REALLY MEANS You need a shave and you sweat a lot.

Sure... go ahead REALLY MEANS I don't want you to.

I'm not upset REALLY MEANS Of course I'm upset, you moron!

I'm not emotional! And I'm not overreacting! REALLY MEANS I'm on my period.

You have to learn to communicate. REALLY MEANS Just agree with me.

Yes REALLY MEANS No.

No REALLY MEANS No.

Maybe REALLY MEANS No.

I'll be ready in a minute. REALLY MEANS Be patient I'll be a while.

Am I a little fat? REALLY MEANS Tell me I'm beautiful.

I'm not yelling! REALLY MEANS Yes I am yelling because I think this is important.

Girls are just like this. We sometimes chose to sugar coat the truth, like in *he's just not that into you."
It's in our nature to be nice, well it's in mine at least.

**Banter** · #16 27/04/2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pgroxursox

I do agree with these but only the following:

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Understanding a Woman

We need REALLY MEANS I want.

You want REALLY MEANS You need.

It's your decision REALLY MEANS The correct decision should be obvious by now.

We need to talk REALLY MEANS I need to complain.

Do what you want REALLY MEANS You'll pay for this later.

You're ... so manly REALLY MEANS You need a shave and you sweat a lot.

Sure... go ahead REALLY MEANS I don't want you to.

I'm not upset REALLY MEANS Of course I'm upset, you moron!

I'm not emotional! And I'm not overreacting! REALLY MEANS I'm on my period.

You have to learn to communicate. REALLY MEANS Just agree with me.

Yes REALLY MEANS No.

No REALLY MEANS No.

Maybe REALLY MEANS No.

I'll be ready in a minute. REALLY MEANS Be patient I'll be a while.

Am I a little fat? REALLY MEANS Tell me I'm beautiful.

I'm not yelling! REALLY MEANS Yes I am yelling because I think this is important.

Girls are just like this. We sometimes chose to sugar coat the truth, like in *he's just not that into you."
It's in our nature to be nice, well it's in mine at least.

Well, I'm a girl too but, actually, none of these gender stereotypes fit. Maybe two, partly. But they're too funy, aren't they?

pgroxursox · #17 27/04/2009, 10:31 PM

They are really funny.

Kanerou · #18 27/04/2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Banter

Understanding a Woman

Yes REALLY MEANS No.

No REALLY MEANS No.

Maybe REALLY MEANS No.

<3

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JWC3 · #19 28/04/2009, 02:44 AM

Lol Win

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dave · #20 13/05/2009, 04:15 PM

It's not just female ENFPs, all ENFPS are very emotionally sensitive. This is their strength as well as their weakness. They will be able to tell when you are down and will try to make you feel better and cheer you up, but they are also very touchy, particularly about their beliefs, sense of self and ways of seeing the world, which they don't like to be mocked unless they give you permission to do so. Fundamentally they want to be respected and liked, but usually if you let them know you aren't out to get them and you are really their friend they will get over it and forgive you. Sometimes they can be good at dishing out the mockery but not very good at taking it. It's not that easy to predict unfortunately, as just to function in society they often exert a lot of control over their erratic impulses at the surface level, makijg it hard to spot unless you are emotionally intuitive yourself. It's just something negative you'll have to put up with if you're to benefit from the positive features of their amazing capacity for warm, close friendships. Hope this helps.