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Old 25/03/2006, 01:23 PM
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I've got this idea: The laws and regulations have to have an expiry date attached to them, so when the time of expiry comes the particular law or regulation gets a review and it could be modified or cancelled all together.

Think about it, the world around is moving fast and overpopulation leads to chaos. Chaos could be very rational phenomenon but on a very large scale, but within the scope of our understanding it is irrational. To rationalise it by restricting its flow with rules and laws is a mammoth task, which in the end may create more problems than solutions because of its rigidity. So having expiry date on those restrictions can make the whole lawmaking system a bit more flexible.

This brings me to another question. What is law in terms of Socionics functions? If you draw a parallel to mathematics then the law in mathematics is a formula or theorem that has been proven to be true – . The laws in a society serve similar purpose and come also as a result of logical reasoning - ...well at least that's the idea. For example you have a problem at hand, you analyse it, you come up with possible solutions, you choose the best one, you make a law. It wouldn't be as perfect as mathematical law and it could address only a narrow margin of the problem but because it is the law it will have to be followed by every single one of us and therefore it will be made available to everyone - .

The interesting thing about the laws is that they could be both global, applicable to majority of cases and local, applicable only to specific cases. The global laws are likely to be the result of dominant logic whereas the local laws could well be the auxiliary logic. For example, it is illegal to dust any public building with a feather duster in Clarendon, Texas. It may well have served its purpose when this law was issued, but I hope you see what I mean.
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Old 25/03/2006, 03:52 PM
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How about the role of in the generation of a law. At least in terms of individuals a relatively stronger will inhibit a weaker

How much of a role do you think it plays in the implementation or inhibition of the generation of new laws?
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Old 25/03/2006, 05:13 PM
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Let's say someone is angry or is driven by a strong emotion and makes a law on a whim -> , bang! like that, if he or she has power to do so like a king or a queen for example, otherwise it all will have to go through the process and by that time will change or cease to exist. Even if someone is passionate about making a law, still won't stand a chance against .
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Old 25/03/2006, 05:45 PM
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Well, here in the US, our ESTp president got elected on the basis of his politically constructed . hahah

Anyway, the huge amounts of laws will never go away. It keeps people in jobs. Look at all the lawyers in government, are they going to want to screw over young lawyers by elminating laws? Probably not.

Anything that is started in government bulids upon itself until it collapses under its own weight. The public only cares about what is actually enforced. So, the laws will only pile up, and the bad ones will only be selectively enforced towards a select few that piss people off.

What motivation does the government have to eliminate laws? Why waste the work tearing out pages of law books when you can just ignore them?

Sure, it would be more efficient to put a time limit on laws, but what happens when due to circumstances they cannot "re-pass" an important law? That is quite a risk, and there are many political circumstances that make passing even simple laws very difficult sometimes.
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Old 26/03/2006, 03:18 AM
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[QB] Well, here in the US, our ESTp president got elected on the basis of his politically constructed . hahah
Bush = .
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Old 26/03/2006, 08:25 AM
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but what happens when due to circumstances they cannot "re-pass" an important law?
This is the whole point, if you cannot re-pass a law because the circumstances changed then this law is not needed under new circumstansces, and it sure is going to keep people in their jobs even more and the whole system should become tidy and flexible.
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Old 26/03/2006, 04:27 PM
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Hmm... I'm still thinking what do say. Very interesting topic. Let's do some heavy brain work. .

-accepting

- producing.

Frist Logic creates rules. Second Logic makes sure that the system works. Like the constitusion and the law system.

That's how I see it.

Organisation is a rational enviroment. The state among it.

Irrationals should be the ones who go more quikly with a new trend. So we need irationals to reform the system.

ENTp?

I need to do some morw thinking.
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Old 26/03/2006, 04:39 PM
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Bush = .
More like:

Bush =
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Old 26/03/2006, 09:53 PM
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That too.

I hate Bush. He could suck my dick, if I only had one.
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Old 27/03/2006, 09:07 AM
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like this?
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Old 27/03/2006, 09:49 AM
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There is an analogous procedure involving female genitalia i suppose...
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Old 27/03/2006, 03:24 PM
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Hmm... I'm still thinking what do say. Very interesting topic. Let's do some heavy brain work. .
You know, I think you were right about your type a long time ago, why did you change it?

I am curious to know why all of a sudden you decided that you were your dual? Have you been talking to Pedro the Lion too much?
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Old 27/03/2006, 05:37 PM
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Have you been talking to Pedro the Lion too much?
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Old 27/03/2006, 05:55 PM
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Hmmm, thinking about it, how does one rationalise different age of consent?

code:USA by State: Heterosexual Homosexual F/F Homosexual M/M

Alabama 16 illegal illegal
Alaska 16 16 16
Arizona 18 illegal illegal
Arkansas 16 illegal illegal
California 18 18 18
Colorado 17 17 17
Connecticut illegal 57 99(pc)
D.C. 16 no current law no current law
Delaware 16(pc)18(npc) no current law no current law
Florida 18 illegal illegal
Georgia 16 16 16
Hawaii 14 no current law no current law
Idaho 16(pc)18(npc) illegal illegal
Illinois 17 17 17
Indiana 16 16 16
Iowa 14(pc)18(npc) no current law no current law
Kansas 16 illegal illegal
Kentucky 16 no current law no current law
Louisiana 17 illegal illegal
Maine 16 16 16
Maryland 16 no current law no current law
Massachusetts 16(pc)18(npc) illegal illegal
Michigan 16 illegal illegal
Minnesota 16 illegal illegal
Mississippi 16 illegal illegal
Missouri 17 illegal illegal
Montana 16(pc)18(npc) 18 18
Nebraska 17 no current law no current law
Nevada 16 18 18
New Hampshire 16 18 18
New Jersey 16 16 16
New Mexico 17 13 13
New York 17 17 17
North Carolina 16 illegal illegal
North Dakota 18 18 18
Ohio 16 no current law no current law
Oklahoma 16 illegal illegal
Oregon 18 18 18
Pennsylvania 16 16 16
Rhode Island 16 no current law no current law
South Carolina 14(pc)16(npc) illegal illegal
South Dakota 16 no current law no current law
Tennessee 18 no current law no current law
Texas 17 illegal illegal
Utah 16(pc)18(npc) illegal illegal
Vermont 16 no current law no current law
Virginia 18 illegal illegal
Washington 16 16 16
West Virginia 16 no current law no current law
Wisconsin 18 18 18
Wyoming 16(pc)18(npc) no current law no current law
[/quote]pc - parental consent npc - no parental consent
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Old 29/03/2006, 06:46 AM
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"Getting exited over sensing" is supposed to be your dual-seeking function?
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Old 29/03/2006, 08:56 AM
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Näkä I have never sayed I am ISFp. Geting exited over sensing something, is very hard for me.
I'll change my name into jsb'07 soon.
It means Johann Sebastian Bach 2007 .

That bESTonian guy!
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Old 29/03/2006, 10:11 AM
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//"Getting exited over sensing" is supposed to be your dual-seeking function?//

I think so. is about geting feelings when you are sensing. Like:'' Oh, I am happy, because the city in springy sunlight is so beautifull.'' or '' I am relaxed , because the sea makes me to feel so.'' or '' I am creative, because the comfortable bed and dark light and sensual musicc is makeing me poetic.'' Such people do it so easily, that they don't even think. Pleasure is what they concider to be very important.
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Old 29/03/2006, 01:12 PM
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Pleasure is what they concider to be very important.
Are we talking about ENTps?
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Old 29/03/2006, 06:54 PM
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No, I ment :Si:X types. ENTp seems to want someone to make this comfortable situation around him/her. ENFp, who also has the same dual seeking funktion,.... well it likes to complain how sensitive senses it has.
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Old 29/03/2006, 07:27 PM
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So "Getting exited over sensing" is not your dual-seeking function?
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