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Old 01/06/2010, 12:36 AM
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Default Socionics & "the big five"

The Big Five is currently an up and coming personality typing method presented by some as the "most reliable personality typing method to date."

Now, it would very much appear to me that Socionics works.
But to some extent, as does this theory.

So how do they overlap?

Here are my two perspectives represented by analogies, up for discussion:
Is it like studying humans through two different magnifying glasses? That is to say: they are interpreting different date? Like this would suggest neuroticism and being an F type are completely different things.
OR is it like saying "I like goats" in two language; they appear different but the general message is the same? Like this would suggest openness equates to intuition.

If you have better analogies please do bring them to the table!
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Old 01/06/2010, 05:13 AM
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The big 5 is silly. The information elements are not adjectives. No comparison can be made.
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Old 01/06/2010, 05:31 AM
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Big 5 is certainly not new and it's primarily meant to find whether you're well adjusted or not, not fit you into a typology. It's also given far greater credence within the clinical psychology world than MBTI or socionics, both of which are often regarded by professionals in that field as parlor games and pseudoscience.
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How about apples aren't oranges just because they are fruits, or something?

Although it's tempting to make comparisons, it's mostly... fruitless hehe, but if I were to try i'd say I don't think I've met an ISTp who would score high on neurotics, maybe Ni types though, sort of.

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Big 5 is certainly not new and it's primarily meant to find whether you're well adjusted or not, not fit you into a typology. It's also given far greater credence within the clinical psychology world than MBTI or socionics, both of which are often regarded by professionals in that field as parlor games and pseudoscience.
IIRC, this has something to do with the fact that Big 5 comes from empirical testing. It's not a pigeon-hole typing system; it just tells you your behavior relative to others who have taken the test.
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Old 03/06/2010, 02:47 AM
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IIRC, this has something to do with the fact that Big 5 comes from empirical testing.
This is correct, and also why MBTI and socionics are looked down upon by psych professionals since they're both lacking there.
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Big Five traits are related to Reinin traits:

oppenness - democratic

conscientiousness - farsighted

extraversion - extroverted

agreeableness - merry*

neuroticism - constructivist

*agreeableness is not well-defined and might also refer to positivist or yielding types
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Old 05/06/2010, 10:20 AM
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Big Five traits are related to Reinin traits:

oppenness - democratic

conscientiousness - farsighted

extraversion - extroverted

agreeableness - merry*

neuroticism - constructivist

*agreeableness is not well-defined and might also refer to positivist or yielding types
I watched a bit of this program on BBC and I think they were talking about big 5. They also said that some of those change with age...which kinda would render your <=> useless.
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The big five is not as satisfying as socionics, as it addresses only outward behavior and not internal motivations.
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The big five is not as satisfying as socionics, as it addresses only outward behavior and not internal motivations.

^^ interesting
i've read that's similar to the different perspectives between mbti [outer] and socionics [inter]
the two pieces of the puzzle!
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high extraversion - Extraversion
high oppenness - Intuitive
high agreeableness - Feeling
high conscientiousness - Rational
high neuroticism - An unhealthy version of the above type
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Old 18/06/2010, 11:33 PM
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yeah see i thinking on similar lines to that ^^
i read somewhere a close relationship with your conflicting type can cause neuroses...
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I don't think agreeableness has to do at all with information elements or dichotomies. There may be a correlation, but that does not imply causation.
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Extraversion is the only one that is related.
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