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Old 30/05/2008, 01:15 AM
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I reaffirm my initial position: ISFp
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Increased expression of one function (1) suppresses the opposing intradichotomy function and (2) suppresses the opposing intrablock function (and vise versa).
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Old 30/05/2008, 06:58 AM
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I reaffirm my initial position: ISFp
now would that be the equivalent of an MBTI ISFJ or an MBTI ISFP.... according to your line of reasoning it can be both if im not mistaken?
cuz both mean radically different things w.r.t their associated duals.
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Old 30/05/2008, 08:53 AM
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Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdifomJqtgA

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here we see this creature in her natural habitat, grazing on avocado.
i know, she sounds nothing like she looks.
a video, the ultimate analysis tool.
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Old 30/05/2008, 09:44 AM
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now would that be the equivalent of an MBTI ISFJ or an MBTI ISFP.... according to your line of reasoning it can be both if im not mistaken?
cuz both mean radically different things w.r.t their associated duals.
Every ISFp is an MBTT ISFP. Every ISFj is an MBTT ISFJ.
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Old 30/05/2008, 12:15 PM
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There isn't enough information to make a judgment.

This is what I noticed:

She doesn't make reference to other people. (NF's can't stop themselves)
She pays extreme attention to color attributes (down to shades)
It's all in sensory details. (Color, flavor, taste, sound)
Comfortable in front of the camera. Every hair in place. Makeup done just right. Some of those pictures are taken by a semi-pro photographer.
I'd say the pictures speak less about her than her writing does.

She doesn't seem introverted. But INFJ's can be mistaken for extroverts.
She seems extroverted, according to her babble approach (I think different types babble differently) it makes her look SP. NP's babble in a more bubbly bouncy puppy you just got home sort of way.

She doesn't seem to describe the essence of a thing, it's more about the surface of it.

Something sits wrong with me ... I can't put my finger on it.
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Old 30/05/2008, 09:34 PM
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Every ISFp is an MBTT ISFP. Every ISFj is an MBTT ISFJ.
I don't want to talk about the actual mbti test ---- lets leave the test out of it.... some people (introverts) score an INFP on the test but end up to be INFJ according to a functional notation analysis of their complimentary functions....and others who score INTJ end up being INTP. The test is an entire issue of its own. Lets get down to the functional notation when trying to correlate the two systems.....

If you are refering to functional notation in the above quote of yours,,,then that can't be the case MBTI ISFP = Socionics ISFj
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Old 31/05/2008, 12:07 AM
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I don't want to talk about the actual mbti test ---- lets leave the test out of it.... some people (introverts) score an INFP on the test but end up to be INFJ according to a functional notation analysis of their complimentary functions....and others who score INTJ end up being INTP. The test is an entire issue of its own.
I am not talking about MBTI tests, I am talking about MBTT types. Why do you insist on talking about MBTI tests when you say that you don't want to talk about it?

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Lets get down to the functional notation when trying to correlate the two systems.....
No, let's forget about that. It is totally wrong to compare functions between the two models, because the functions are different.

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If you are refering to functional notation in the above quote of yours,,,then that can't be the case MBTI ISFP = Socionics ISFj
I am definitely not referring to functions. An MBTT ISFP is ALWAYS identical to a socionic ISFp, and an MBTT ISFj is ALWAYS identical to a socionic ISFj. Read the type descriptions and you will (hopefully) realize this truth. Functions are totally irrelevant when you compare these two models -- the types are all that matter. And the types are identical: ABCD=ABCd.
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Old 31/05/2008, 07:39 PM
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[quote=Prometheus;9701] An MBTT ISFP is ALWAYS identical to a socionic ISFp, and an MBTT ISFj is ALWAYS identical to a socionic ISFj. quote]

You're apparently the only one who says this. Where do i go to get some real evidence of this
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Old 31/05/2008, 11:47 PM
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You're apparently the only one who says this.
No, I'm not.

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Where do i go to get some real evidence of this
It's all right in front of your eyes. Use your brain and study the types. If you understand both models, if you understand the four dichotomies, you must realize that I am right. If you don't realize it, your capacity for logical reasoning is severely limited. Pray to nature that you are not born that way.
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Old 01/06/2008, 12:05 AM
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No, I'm not.


It's all right in front of your eyes. Use your brain and study the types. If you understand both models, if you understand the four dichotomies, you must realize that I am right. If you don't realize it, your capacity for logical reasoning is severely limited. Pray to nature that you are not born that way.
your pathetic and you'll stay that way if you keep talkin like that.

don't you have anything positive to say.
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Old 01/06/2008, 12:18 AM
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your pathetic and you'll stay that way if you keep talkin like that.
I don't care. I will keep talking like this. And you should learn to respect the objective truth.

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don't you have anything positive to say.
No. I know that ENFps hate to hear critical remarks and that they prefer to ignore the dark sides of life, but my job is to tell the truth. If you can't handle the truth, take the blue pill. But that seems to be exactly what you have done.
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I don't care. I will keep talking like this. And you should learn to respect the objective truth.


No. I know that ENFps hate to hear critical remarks and that they prefer to ignore the dark sides of life, but my job is to tell the truth. If you can't handle the truth, take the blue pill. But that seems to be exactly what you have done.
The dark side exists in everybody. Its not healthy to go there.

i think you're a pessimist and have a tainted view of reality altogether.
maybe your ego was hurt somewhere when you were younger.
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Old 01/06/2008, 02:31 AM
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a tainted view of reality altogether.
i hate to get myself involved in this insanity, but...

to make type systems so absolute is ignorant.
you're basing "reality" off of a disagreement over imperfect typing systems.

chill

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i hate to get myself involved in this insanity, but...

to make type systems so absolute is ignorant.
you're basing "reality" off of a disagreement over imperfect typing systems.

chill
i know what ur trying to get at, thanks for steppin in.

just to clarify what i'm about...I dont see it as trying to make em absolute though.... i see it as a one on one thing where the other guy just doesn't give the effort to prove what he knows and i'm putting in the effort.
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Old 01/06/2008, 09:47 AM
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The dark side exists in everybody. Its not healthy to go there.
Irrelevant. Health has nothing to do with truth. All the great truth seekers in literature have been near the dark side, and they have been abandoned because of their disobedience and disrespect for authority -- Prometheus, Faustus ...

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i think you're a pessimist and have a tainted view of reality altogether.
I am no more of a pessimist than most INTps, but of course we are natural born criticics and destroyers of delusions.

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maybe your ego was hurt somewhere when you were younger.
No. You are totally misunderstanding my motivations.
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Old 01/06/2008, 10:08 AM
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Prom, you and your truth. Have you ever thought that there could be more than 1 truth? y=x^2 has 2 solutions both true. Now stop being so hard headed.
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Old 01/06/2008, 10:23 AM
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Prom, you and your truth. Have you ever thought that there could be more than 1 truth? y=x^2 has 2 solutions both true. Now stop being so hard headed.
"Don't say you found the truth, say you found one truth" said Gibran Khalil Gibran.
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Old 01/06/2008, 10:32 AM
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I googled for it and this is what came up:

Say not, 'I have found the truth,' but rather, 'I have found a truth.'

Quite brilliant, actually. Prom, you should listen.
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Old 01/06/2008, 10:35 AM
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Note that the man who said this sentence came from my country.
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Prom, you and your truth. Have you ever thought that there could be more than 1 truth? y=x^2 has 2 solutions both true. Now stop being so hard headed.
Of course there can be more than one truth. But two truths can never contradict each other. If two people disgree, only one of them can be right. If there are two or more true solutions, all of them are included in what is objectively true. To insist on these very simple, fundamental, and indisputable principles has nothing to do with being hard headed.
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