http://www.socionics.com/forums Socionics is a step forward from MBTI(r) theory, which is a step forward from Personality Type, which is a step forward from Jungian Type, which is a step forward from... en Thu, 17 May 2012 08:36:55 GMT vBulletin 1 http://www.socionics.com/forums/basic-red/misc/rss.jpg http://www.socionics.com/forums http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2023&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 20:36:44 GMT The Feeling function is still something very hard for me to grasp, before I used to confuse it with Sensation but lately I have been realizing that... The Feeling function is still something very hard for me to grasp, before I used to confuse it with Sensation but lately I have been realizing that Feeling is somehting else that I am not aware of.

This is very temptative and unorganized, just few thoughts out of thin air. I will think about organizing my thoughts later.

At the most basic level the Feeling function informs us about our emotional disposition towards objects. It operates in a binary fashion: rejection or acceptance of the object. It is still pretty emotional at this level, it may be coupled with sensations and strong emotions. Quite brutal. If something is unpleasant it is not capable of coping with it or operating on it to change it. If you are not pleased with the action of a person, you just experience extreme unacceptance/anger/... You may choose either to face the person, and you will appear quite brutal that you will get nowhere, but rather be perceived as aggressive. Or you will refrain from expressing yourself, knowing that your expression won't be accepted, so it may happen that tension builds up in you until you explode at one point. Your emotions are not well worked out, so you avoid emotional expression so that you don't loose control of yourself. But unfortunately, this reserve causes people to perceive you as dry and thus may not connect with you, because they see nothing to connect with. But if you happen to love an object, then you will get sticky, and unfortunate is the person who happens to be that object.

At a higher level the Feeling function allows you to maintain a more flexible emotional give and take with the environnment. There is less brutality and stiffness, and more craftiness and malleability. If you are not pleased with the behaviour of someone you will let it get the message without offensing it. If you see a watch that pleases to some extent but that has a part of it that is not very beautiful to you, you would tell yourself "It musn't show if I wear this or that with it", instead of brutally rejecting it. But at this level one still avoids emotional involvement with people, but the difference here is that it may be used if it allows one to realize a certain objective. That is not possible at the first level of the Feeling function.

Now at the third level one appreciates the complexity of emotions and considers them as a quite complex engine that allow you to maintain and form relationships with people and even to solve complex social or aesthetic problems in a pretty unconscious way in the sense that it cannot be cognitively apprehended or deciphered by the mind. It becomes the motor of creativity and is capable of shifting perceptions altogether to reach new ways of viewing different viewpoints, and in this respect it can allow the person to sympathize better with others. It can also imitate the reactions of people to know what they are feeling It fuses the different elements of a situation and keeps in its memory the actual situational "what it feels like", and it uses these later on to arrive at decisions.

Now comes the level at which what Segrei Ganine calls "the electromagnetic field of Feeling" is realized. It realizes that humans are connected at an emotional spiritual level even though they're physically seperate entities. The Self dissolves itself in "others", and it sees humanity as one entity. Whenever one sees its object of love, there happens a strong "electromagnetic field" that both people feel, and it allows the behaviours and thoughts to be parallel or in accord, without any conscious effort. One always knows what the other is feeling because the feeling is contagious. Active imagination combined with the active empathy (imitating others reactions to know what they feel) creates intensive feelings of connection with a person even if it is not present.

There might be a higher level.

These are my first thoughts, tell me what do you think? I personally am still at level one, even though I rarely go a bit up to level 2.

So at what level are you? ]]> Ramble Mumble complicater-complexer http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2023 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2001&goto=newpost Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:17:13 GMT http://teachingkidsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Alison_Redford_Official_Portrait_2011.jpg - Alison Redford (Leader of the Progressive... http://teachingkidsnews.com/wp-conte...trait_2011.jpg

- Alison Redford (Leader of the Progressive Conservative Association of Alberta
and the 14th Premier of Alberta): Si-ESTj

http://www.flickr.com/photos/k-ideas/4021138500/

- Danielle Smith (Leader of the Wildrose Party/Leader of the Official Opposition Party of Alberta): Ti-ESTp

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- Raj Sherman (Leader of the Alberta Liberal Party): Fe-ENFj

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/to...i-mason620.jpg

- Brian Mason (Leader of the Alberta New Democrats): Ti-ISTj ]]> Ramble Mumble Panorama http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2001 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986&goto=newpost Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:22:30 GMT If I take the turbo xl test and fill in the options as I figure optimal or most ideal which type will come out in relation to socionics intertype... If I take the turbo xl test and fill in the options as I figure optimal or most ideal which type will come out in relation to socionics intertype relations?

In other words which relationship demonstrates the relationship between two individuals who consider each other ideal or?

EDIT; if the question above is possible to answer this might be a good way to determine your type because it is sometimes easier to fill in the options the way you consider ideal rather than the way you truly are.

EDIT 2; potential candidates for idealistic perception of each other or other in intertype relations brought out as candidates by own perception of relevance to the topic - Relations of Activity, Relations of Semi-Duality, Conflicting Relations, Super-Ego Relations, Contrary Relations, Look-A-Like Relations, Relations of Benefit, Relations of Supervision.

EDIT 3; another point of view could be that people that are considered ideal are people that are perceived as someone in a higher social rank a la Relations of Benefit and Relations of Supervision hence the highlighting of mentioned intertype relations. my point is that if you fill out the turbo xl test questions in a manner you consider ideal you might come out with the type that is your Benefactor or Supervisor. This could be a way to distinguish your type if that is something you experience difficulties with.

EDIT 4; the whole thing could probably be done in reverse to find the intertype that you find the least ideal ]]> Ramble Mumble Nocturnality http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1984&goto=newpost Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:56:35 GMT Do we have any representatives from the list? If so, can you provide any feedback? Norway: ... Do we have any representatives from the list? If so, can you provide any feedback?

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Negotiations (this applies for most on the list):

* They prefer to get down to business quickly and engage in relatively little small talk.
* Communication is direct and to the point, and may seem blunt.
* Make sure your arguments are rational as opposed to emotional.
* Use facts and figures to confirm your statements.
* Business is conducted slowly. Most are detail-oriented and want to understand every innuendo before coming to an agreement.
* Decision-making is consensus driven. Anyone who might be affected by the decision is consulted, which greatly increases the time involved in reaching a final decision.
* You should avoid confrontational behaviour or high- pressure tactics.
* Once a decision is made, it will not be changed.
* Contracts are enforced strictly. ]]> Ramble Mumble Appleteck http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1984 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1983&goto=newpost Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:07:28 GMT Justine: EIE-Ni or H-EIE or EIE-IEI Claire: ESE-Fe or N-ESE or ESE-EII John: LII-Ti or D-LII or LII-LSE Gaby: LSE-Te or N-LSE or LSE-LSI... Justine: EIE-Ni or H-EIE or EIE-IEI

Claire: ESE-Fe or N-ESE or ESE-EII

John: LII-Ti or D-LII or LII-LSE

Gaby: LSE-Te or N-LSE or LSE-LSI

Michael: LSI-Se or C-LSI or LSI-ILE ]]> Ramble Mumble Marika http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1983 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1980&goto=newpost Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:14:30 GMT Hi,

I've got a practical question. I consider myself INTj, however people give me many different types. I've been so far almost all types from alpha, some of beta, delta and gamma. In my opinion description of INTj matches with elements but some people say descriptions are irrelevant and say nothing and you shouldn't read them at all. So now I'm really confused. Is typing really possible if we say everything is irrelevant and we should only type according to changing elements.

I, after analysing elements, can't tell myself anymore from ENTj. I want :Sis:, I've got :Ses:-PoLR. My hidden agenda is to be healthy, I'm sure.
On the other hand the fact that ENTj has got :Sis:-PoLR seems very close to me to the fact that they somehow "need it" as they can't cope with it by themselves. And what's more, I don't want :Fes:. ;) To make things complicated, some people started to claim I might be ENTp. How can I be ENTp with :Ses:-PoLR? They are the same people that told me I can't use description as they refer to constant features rather than to socionics elements. So how can they now judge my type by my other features/life experience that influent the way of thinking and behaving?

My question is, how do you, guys, see it? Is there any possibility that there's no clear distinction between some types? That they're more "flowing" and interchanging - when the elements change their functions respectively? But in this case, socionics would be dynamic, not static, I guess. So, is there any solution to the problem? ]]> Ramble Mumble pivot http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1980 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979&goto=newpost Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:16:57 GMT I am accused of being a highly sensitive person by many. Isn't that evidence for F? I really wonder.

How sensitive is a T person allowed to be? ]]> Ramble Mumble complicater-complexer http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1979 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1978&goto=newpost Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:02:32 GMT If two people look like each others a lot, does it mean that they have the same type? If two people look like each others a lot, does it mean that they have the same type? ]]> Ramble Mumble complicater-complexer http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1978 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1977&goto=newpost Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:04:08 GMT Hello, been a very long time since I posted. I have a bit of a dilemma and am looking for advice. Background: I am an INTj who works in a business... Hello, been a very long time since I posted. I have a bit of a dilemma and am looking for advice.
Background: I am an INTj who works in a business environment that can be highly competitive, however as a consultant my work is often specialized and often stands alone. However, I come across a lot of ENTjs. Some are owner/CEOs/Directors and I have to reel it in and be very buttoned up, which isn't too hard for me. For years I have worked closely with ENTjs and have this same problem repeating and I'm just tired of it. I am trying to find a new way to approach a CEO that hired me. He is ENTj. And this is a familiar issue.

The Situation: This is how it always starts, very typical of these relationships if I understand correctly--> ENTjs first meet me and love me. I'm rational and don't care how one sided the conversation is and can provide endless amounts of objective, non-threatening feedback. They seem to think we're kindred spirits- I know we're not. But that's fine. The first problem arises when I do not match them when they become uncharacteristically "overly familiar" (as I would put it.) I think they see putting their guard down as a compliment...? I feel like I have to become the church lady (snl skit) just so they stop being so inappropriate (I'm a young(ish) lady at work. The sexual humor is gross and weird.) It's awkward. Mostly because they didn't think it would be.

Because we do end up leading with out strengths if a situation arises that requires scrutiny or analysis he wants to go wide and I want to drill down. (to put it simply) He usually thinks that the best way to solve a problem in a team is to be very enthusiastic about a dozen possible solutions and the solution and work on those to find a solution. I want to go create a set of criteria to narrow down our choices and pick the best one based on testing/research. ENTjs have the tendency to be okay making mistakes (wasting time, is what I call it) and so just work down a list of solutions until one sticks..? And when it doesn't work, it's as if they get more excited and motivated by the 'new development'. It's a "well now we know this isn't the answer for us..." mentality. Except I already knew it wasn't the answer. And the most demoralizing thing for an INTj is being tasked with something I know will fail. Eventually, the ENTj thinks I'm working against him, rather than simply disagreeing with the approach. And perhaps because the relationship on his end was so idealized, he feels especially betrayed. This cycle can happen on a small scale and be recovered quickly or it can continue and define the rest of our working relationship until the end of the project. The latest situation is shaping up to look like the latter and I want to avoid that at all costs if I can...

My question: How do could I communicate to a contrary relationship, or an ENTj, that I'm not working against them, I just think this is a total farce? Or whatever the diplomatic way to express such a thing is...
And a side question would be: Are all ENTjs a wee bit paranoid or is that just my perspective as the other half in a contrary relationship? ]]> Ramble Mumble ValerieUGA http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1977 http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1976&goto=newpost Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:20:52 GMT Barack Obama Michelle Obama Barack Obama

Michelle Obama ]]> Ramble Mumble Appleteck http://www.socionics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1976