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| Question #1238324464 | Sunday, 29-Mar-2009 |
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| This was a comment before. But its about my uncertainity with Socionics and all typing systems, because of my uncertainity with my type. Please read, it would be so helpful to have new perspective. Its very long, but there is alot to it that you might have thought of, but never gotten far in trying to fully understand. [[[[[[[[Well, I'm an INT-something, or something something rather; who knows what? You sound like your preference as being an INTJ is clean-enough cut. Good for you. I'm going to be 17 soon and from when I was 14-15, I wasted my life contemplating socionics. Socionics is an interesting structure to such a grabbing concept. Most of the people who are on here for so long must be strong INTJs, maybe I am too, I'm just deficient and don't understand and comprehend things well enough, so I have to adopt the seeking behaviors of other types. I used to be really shy, wouldn't talk to anyone, but I love attention and I love people, I love it when people like me. But I'm in-my-own-head and shy all the same, I'm a freakin' mess. I scored INTP almost everytime I took the socionics test, but I fit the notion of dominant Ti better than Ni I think, though I get confused and am never sure. I'm super serious and intense; at my best I can appear very casual but still extremely intense, and have learned to be Chameleon-like in many different settings. I can never commit to anything. I also don't get good grades, and can talk intelligently and understand alot of things(though math is tricky unless it has to do with Classical Music) to an extent that I could be most genuinely thoughtful sounding speaker in a good sized collection of people. But I'm lazy and useless, in some ways I feel incredibly stupid. But, but but, but, I feel like I have a characteristic perspective to me that is very rare, and gives me the potential for a lot of ego and a lot of humility all the same, but coexisting and conflicting. Tangents. Well, my goal was to offer you some perspective, usually I have some pretty unusual perspectives. Socionics, I don't get it, I more about it than most people who claim to get it know, but, I don't have a type to confidently call my own. So, either I discredit it, or stubbornly hope it will work.]]]]]]]] What do you guys think? Do I just have ambiguous preferences, am I a confused member of a distinct type, or is Socionics just not that deeply applicable and somewhat faulty and not very scientific? Thats my current story with Socionics as best as I will be able to describe it right now. Don't call me any type please unless you are totally convinced and think you can sort of ADD to my knowledge, and NOT indescriminately OVERIDE it. In someways, Ne seems to be me because I like really wierd things and I indulgently dig into any concept I come across(I think refinement between intuition types is concept of faulty logic, its all the same..prove me wrong?). I'm also very charismatic when in a good mood, but I often feel like I have a puny presence. I don't think I'm "right brained" enough to be an ENTP. INTP, they seem too rigid and strategic at the expense of deep understanding. ENTJs are too tough and regular. INFJs, too naturally tranquil. INFPs, I can't manipulate my emotions very quickly. ENFPs, I'm too slow witted, even though I love social things, plus I'm too deep. ENFJs, too good socially and too energetic. INTJs, too linnear, but maybe that how I was born and I grew around it. ISTJs, too practicle. ISTPs too cool and cold. ISFJs, god, sometimes I feel dangerously close to being one, they describe them so much as what I aspire not to be but might actually be deep down; they are so lamely described, I have a strong mind! ISFPs, maybe when I have some twisted perspective, I'll believe it, same for all other unmentioned sensates. Please Help People, try my thinking on, if you think you have the type for me nailed, go for it. If you can't decide, start thinking about what I could actually be in a more flexible sense. I don't know what I mean really, just use your intuition to give me a wholesome, truly wholesome answer if you can. -- Grant |
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A1 Socionics IS deeply applicable, don't give up  ENTjs too tough and regular? They like change too much to be like that. Maybe Te subtypes, but Ni subtypes often have too crazy imagination to be tough and regular. - I don't remember if I answered your question before, so if I had, don't read on. Here is my advice: 1) read many descriptions of the functions and types, and what you like best, take as yours. It is very probable that if you like and understand a description of Fi, for example, it is one of your dominant functions. 2) Try forgetting al about Socionics and remembering your happiest early childhood memories, the events or sensations that make you happy the instant you think about them. This might help you find your first two functions, as they are the one we use most often when we are small. Later on, we learn to use other functions too and the first functions' needs get less explicit. This has really worked, my Si mothers starts smiling every time she remembers sitting on warm soil, my Fe friend told me enthusiastically how happy she was whenever someone told her they wanted to be her friend. 3) Try remembering or imagining what did or would make you really, really livid if someone called you this. For example, I as an Se hate being called absent-minded and not knowing what's going on around, much more than anything else. If you are an Se, you know what's going on around almost all the time, even if you don't realize it. So being called this makes me think the person doesn't know me at all. 4) Maybe you could post a video of yours somewhere? Some of your friends could film you talking when you are at ease and about your favourite topic, so that we also get the possibility to VI you. -- Ezis (ESFp) |
| A2 If a decent mind such as yourself can be an ESFP or a sensate at all, maybe I am in fact a sensing type, but I'm never sure what being a senser means. For me, the biggest insult NOWADAYS is probably to be told that there is nothing special about me, nothing that makes me unique, and that I'm ordinary or less than ordinary. Is the Ne talking, does that make it my ego function? Anyways...granted, this thinking is harmful and I know I'm much more deficient than immaculate, its hard for me to honest about it because people will think I'm massively egotistical. So, I also hate being called insincere almost as much. Sounds Fi-ish right? Does this make me an ENFP? On those cognitive tests, I HAVE score very left brained, and I am HAVE been perhaps mislabeled as a "slow processor". I was recently told that I lacked method, and that my mind moves too fast for me to handle, so I might discredit the obvious if it doesn't immediately work and look for something deeper, that ultimately prove interesting and maybe even thought provoking, but often is purely subjective and not right. Ironically, the first time I ever took an MBTI test, in a period of self loathing, I scored ISTJ. Is it possible that I'm so stressed an ENFP that I adopt the unconscious tendancies of my ISTJ opposite, or the reverse, ISTJ gone ENFP. As a little child, I loved learning new things, and my best memories are of daydreaming and building cities with wooden blocks. I also cried all the time when people were "mean" to me, I thought mushy displays of affection were awful things, but I loved being nice and people being nice to me. My preschool teachers told my parents "he was delightful, but in his own head and doesn't pay attention often, so he misses opportunities." Umm theres a problem here; how do you know I'm not just fabricating things, or is this something ENFPs do? I can convince myself of anything and unconvince myself of anything, but I've always been a "good kid", and never a trouble maker, always honest. People think I'm responsible, but often I let them down, I have that trustworthiness and calmness to me in public , but I am so lazy. Sometimes I interrupt people too. But they also told me I could be "literal" and "black and white", is this just an autistic like-thing or something, because I have great social skills, but I have some autistic tendancies like obsessively intricate daydreaming, a narrow highly obscure focus, talked with adults better, stuff like that. Being absent minded has become the ultimate compliment for me. But I also really love it when people compliment me for being "precise". That sounds Ti-ish. ENTP? Which ones are the socially irresponsible ones, ENTPs or ENFPs, my initial image of ENs was that they were quick witted but blank and not really present. Is this just and ENTP i'm thinking of, in old videos, I looked so oblivious, it was scary, but now, I'm all self conscious, plus I've always been "socially composed" because I wanted to look mature and intelligent. See that, that is how orderless my highly serious mind can look. Huge contradiction it superficially seems, highly serious but chaotic. I've always wanted to do a video VIing, but the internet is scary...do you know of a safe place. Or is that even necessary, am I an ENFP. It never occured to me that I was initially an ENFP, but I was very insecure about myself. I thought I was introverted before. Anyways, everypart of what I wrote later in my message is very important. Please consider it all. You know, if I discovered I was and ENFP through and through, I'd have tremendous pride. ENFPs sound so cool. More self convincing tricks, see? I would though. But I could almost scream with joy knowing I was one. I don't think I'm organized and selfless enough to be an INFJ, plus I like looking smart so much, INFJs don't put that first do they, or can you make conclusions like that? But hey, I'm giving you and anyone else the right away to help convince me... -- Anonymous |
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| A3 Lol, I just thought about it again. I am a very precise person. Maybe I'm an ENTJ? -- Anonymous |
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