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| Question #1192886791 | Saturday, 20-Oct-2007 |
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| How do INTps experience grief? The kind that comes after the death of someone close, like a parent, spouse, child, or best friend? -- MD |
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| A12 A10, glad you could see the mixture of humour and apt points in my comments-laughing at oneself is a powerful ally as you did and there were very much flashes of humanity!! A11 That is one of the most emotional things I have heard, sincerely. Therefore, -Conclusion - we t types have emotions very much so- it is we are just not as quite in touch with them-aware of them so we doubt at times our own humanity. Realise how powerful they actually are- you see our still waters do indeed run very deep. This means we do not and should not doubt our humanity. 'Letting yourself care'-and understanding that you actually do its not just a moralistic response dismissed lightly-it is a pathway to greater self realisation and self acceptance. We take solace in our capacity-capable of I believe of everything. -- Anonymous |
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| A13 OHHHHHH ok now this makes sense. INTps are simply apt to moving on right away which does not mean they never cared. Point understood! Mission accomplished! Thank you for your explanation A10!...quite helpful in getting a good understanding! HMMMMM I suppose grieving does have a connotation of dwelling on loss of the person and from what it sounds like INTps don't dwell on things...hence they don't really experience grief in a way that other might. Yes? Was that correct? -- Anonymous |
| A14 A7&A9...much of what will be said, and the patterns with which it will be answered is banal. those initial biases which i had, and was able to express (yippee me, got to take some joy in my type!)..have remained the same, but have been fit into a much larger context. i don't have the same idea of types i earlier professed to hav3. BUT, this is beside the point. I am not one to avoid a fight, nor the mis-givings of biases set against me...as i still retain enough flexibility within myself to operate (remember the christo-centric myth..that sin BLOCKS flow, well, if u picked that up, i said in terms, that i sinned, repented and that the flow is still with me). If i can express this new idea, without expressing it in full, i will say this in proverbial sense...saying so, not to take 'glory' for myself, but to verbally express something which u A7&A9 would have known, and wwhere therefore willing to FIGHT me about (i make a point to respect that instinct..but hold my sentiment as meaningless..reconcilation is not the point of the world..just many constitutive bodies willing to make war)...parable being this..and i express it to my shame:__ the world depends on many territories, and territories are in everything we see, culture, country etc. in addition, there is a micro mechanism of this...socionics, and that types would be able to stake there territory in spite of each other, or in blindness to each other. Since that is the point, why fight against it,,why express biases. Well, that is my right,i can still express and make biases, but i don't see it the way i did, that is...that u as a other type is/are robbing my air. No more. I step aside as such...thanx A7&A9 for your instinct. Should i also mention the fallacy in your statement, 'take away my pc...let me experience suffering'.. false why..for it assumes 1. that my present policies were not made in suffering (above i assumed this as a mutual thing for all types and persons, hence the 'repentance'...but, don't assume i am unaware of the mechanisms constituting INTPs in general...we as a type don't live as well as u other types, unless we actively choose tto live blindly in a sense, as u guys do...consider our fallacy our information processing forms...in other words it is good for me to tell the intp boys...be confident in your communication forms and develop it to a full bias Just much the same as other types are already doing intrinsically)..2. [what else does it assume of me...well i forgot..good..or this would be longer] and 3. probably the most apt..and this struck me...who was it who said..but somebody did..they said...that these guys just seem to be waiting for sex, and then they will listen to there object..or that they viewed there partner as a sex object..and therefore in the Greater Council of Types..punishment was called on our poor-disgusting and malignant souls. What can i say about this...it is a present danger..but all things in life are dangers, BUT i will probably regulate myself out in this element when i encounter those flows (but i will defeat it, that is understood, and then i will hunt those who have not defeated it, for they will be sure to be defeating themselves in some other aspect). to MD, good-luck, may u come more to the fore now, and will myself choose not to be in such controversies very easily again...but then u were'ent the offender (much fealty expressed for the mutuality i now see i have with MD, but that is not to be expressed or assessed, as the proper domain of an INTP is not other INTPs least it be for political purposes, but whatever the intp can constitute in his world..sensors/feelers, as such have the only proper Communication Rates so-that each individual intp can develop strongly and as such develop the whole of what is around them..good-luck as such is the only thing which i can properly express toward MD). -- @sirac |
| A15 i wanted to come back and answer A6, and now i see A13 in similar terms....that is in need of answer. Generally, i don't want to answer this, as it seems that small packets of 'right sentimental/political grouping' are answering these questions gradually (as in A12). BUT, systematically, in answer to assertions...A6's 'not aware of feelings'...this is wrong. From a cognitive psychological perspective, u have to remember that we are before Socionic Theories Awareness, not ably or aptly aware of T-F thinking differentiations. On the political land-scape of a person, one gradually becomes aware of it through behaviourisms one puts out, and other people's response to this. Now, in your head u normal, u think of the relations about yourself, like mother father etc. with the normal 'fealty' attached to such things, but because of lack of 'seen/observable' social outputs...a response is due to come from other personalities about oneself, to which one has accredited rightly or wrongly a certain acclaim. These responses can be dreadful, for the responses from others can threaten your Credibility in Life. Therefore it becomes convienient for INTPs and other types who are self-involved in 'intellectual extents' (more or less, typically, we just see it as 'living' originally)...to later seek TYPIFICATIONs for behaviour, to avoid earlier emotional stress (and wars...even where INTPs first swallow the bad, which leads to self-stress, and a more out-casted society setting for the INTP which has taken this stress, therefore, war-like policies on the INTPs part is healty, for quick demarcation of zones allows the INTP to reattain original health, and therefore enter back into 'observable society', which is also healthy, for the esfp is found there struggling in their own political settings). So...what i say by this cognitive arguement, is that you guys are thinking wrong about emotion and about as A13 says 'moving on after grief periods. I can't centre into your concerns here, or this post will become to long, but, for A13, take this structural post as an answer, which i am sure others are to misunderstand yet again...: "INTPs are able to seperate dependant behavioural interaction, from the real emotional/planning content of a persons communication". i am fortuanate to know this behavioural policy in such terms, for i was fortuanate to know a man, my father, who had a definite 'layered approach' to his whole communication status. i was a such the only person to effectively (along with my mother, but that is seperate dual or life mate status) mine out those forms of communication. Wheather u call me a T-vector, yet i am proud to be the only to get 'that' emotional content. Which is really, why i want to see on this forum, discussion of other types beyond the ones which seem to be the bread and butter of this site. The polical status of our thinking sets is wrong, for it is always the intellectuals versus the 'communicatively banal' (which is wrong, the world sets of communication is actually more layered than we think). -- @sirac |
| A16 To A14. Would I say 'its good to have u back' - rubbish, after all what is good suffice a fallacy of trends. if I have nothing to say at this moment, however I do metaphorically nod in your direction in-spiritually also in some part. -- Anonymous |
| A17 Sirac I think what you mean is that you reserve bias towards intp's, but you have come to realise that a racism towards other types is not really a solution because as you say it is more layered..after all two wrongs not making a right etc. I would also like to say I admire your propensity to fight for your type (your tribe) but also I would like to say other tribes have their difficulties too. Keep your bias, yes it is your right, but as a compromise let us both try to help all types..or at least those who come around looking for help (or others elsewhere) I do think as you -that some people get it really easy (easier), but more also do get it hard too. I will fight for all the oppressed..there is enough to make their own masses (not religious meaning) everyone not just one tribe deserve a shot..or at least i owe it to me as someone else who has saught at times. Does this make sense ?. Tell me where do you stay what do you do ? I ask as it would be good to put more details to you etc. -- Type as yet unknown |
| A18 A17: It is true, that all types have their place within the whole, and also it is true that intertype strife is no solution, as the members of the body turned one against the other cannot function. For the bias... it iss simply it is simply a matter of function. The eyes are for seeing... that is their place, they were designed for what they do, and not the fingers nor the ears may be allowed to claim that place. That "everyone deserves a shot" is of no consequence, as I have said before that time does not care. Defend the oppressed, if you feel that is your place, but do not be surprised if you find yourself doing it on your own. sorry, sirac, if I have spoken out of turn, i could not help myself. -- MD |
| A19 Do it on my Own is fine it is all the more nobler. As I would say sirac has done when putting forth his two cents for his fellow intp's. As you speak for him so will I. He will understand my strife, as he has experienced it. The way this site has been in the last while I wonder if a type war is brewing. -- Type as yet.. |
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