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Question #1189841438Saturday, 15-Sep-2007
Category: Mental Disorders INTj
Is there any link between psychological disorders and types? Or, in other words, does being a certain type make your more prone to certain disorders? Or do the disorders alter your type accordingly? I am an INTj who is diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder, as well as social anxiety. Some of what I have read about INTjs over the past year or so (off and on) seems to fit my perfectionism that I associate with my OCPD. There is no doubt in my mind that I fit best as an INTj, but I do have my differences that I think are caused by my disorders. INTj's have been described on this site as not caring too much about clothing and fashion. (Which I don't disagree with.) However, I do seem to have a knack for always looking nice and advising other people on what would look good or bad on them. I'm very anal about colors matching. Also, INTj's are described as not caring what others think about them. However, I DO care what people think about me, and I am very uncomfortable in informal social situations. People always misunderstand me because I don't react with facial expressions, but that doesn't mean I'm not happy to hear something or that I don't care about their problem. I try to force myself to use facial expressions but it always ends up making me feel awkward about myself. I supposed my question is if a personality/anxiety disorder stems for our psychological types, or if it is a separate factor that slightly deviates us from our type? -- Travis
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A1 howzy. buy at MacDonalds, and i will give u a free voucher. Travis, the guy who has said the unsaid. as an INTP, i have known that psychological disorder, was on the other side of the cards, least i managed myself psychologically well. in a measure (and now i am going to hate putting my name here, for when i post elsewhere, i have try and be the end-word authority, but here i would just like to be free to discuss this plainly). You have it, and i have feared it. so it makes sense to me, that all NT types have given it a cold or blind shoulder. If u a S or F slinged with the N or T factor (NF or ST- those self-confident in reality and those putting more N disorder into there F world, which soon becomes 'this conviction and that conviction world' well, i would not be embarrased to say that as an NT, i have felt this cold dark dread, for others can't metabolize it anyway). as S or F type, u can hide it, as NT type, you should manage your mind, cause u have no other way, in other words, u have to be more mature and convinced of the the structures u have learned..mrINTP or INTJ regardless. A major factor of advise i can give u to paving your own road out is this (u have to do it sooner or later if u want to sit with other problems like i). as an NT, u have no alternative but to mask yourself in your J or P function (any sling with S or F allows these to mask in those functions). i also struggle with the facial expression thing..or used to..or hav'ent been implicitly tested in that way recently so as to care if it is at crisis as a function or not. The 'hiding trick' is to cede things from CONSCIOUS to UNCONSCIOUS control. (oh, honestly, i think only new situations stiffle the facial expression thing, but as soon as i am used to the approximate and appropriate interaction of flows my facial expression is there..there as in more moderate or noticable than others, showing my distain or whatever in an 'unmitigable' fashion, for such faces can't be credited with the Beta Quadra Self-disciplining AutoFunction against rebellion, remember, as a J(intj), u are either Alpha 'newness of life quadra concern' or a P(intp)Gamma, reviewing flow type concern.. so u can do it, if u place these new mental imperitives in place) also u can work out of your 'self-compulsion' gradually. It will come as u extend 'mental flow through' programs (your mind has really out-grown your pants, that is what u are telling me actually)..that is consciously by learning, or 'pray learning' (saying u need to communicate with yourself in a quasi-real fashion, this u can also do, the religious art in this world is old and extended).. either way, by doing this, u allow space for Conscious functions to cede into Unconscious functions. and one day, like the Samurai, u will have my unconscious functions and be free in flow to acheive your goals. now go. and remember, that at the point u become economically productive with your self-training, you will be ready to have an over-bearing wife to slot in with you, and create more space for yourself as u ready new projects.haha -- @sirac
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A2 Is there any link between personality disorders and types? Yes. -- jgbr
A3 What type is Donovan in this case study? Donovan, 16 years old, is incapable of loving and, therefore, has never loved you, his mother (or, for that matter, anyone else, himself included) in his entire life. His natural capacity to love and to return love was all but eliminated by his horrid childhood. We practice loving first and foremost through our parents. If they fail us, if they turn out to be unpredictable, capricious, violent, unjust - this capacity is stunted forever. This is what happened to Donovan: the ideal figures of his childhood proved to be much less than ideal. Abuse is a very poor ground to breed healthy emotions in. Granted, Donovan - being the brilliant and manipulative person that he is - knows how to perfectly simulate and emulate LOVE. He acts lovingly - but this is a mere act and it should not be confused with the real thing. Donovan shows love in order to achieve goals: money, a warm house, food on the table, adoration (Narcissistic Supply). Once these are available from other sources - the former ones are abandoned callously, cold-heartedly, cruelly and abruptly. You have been such a temporary stopover for Donovan, the equivalent of a full board hotel (no chores, no requirements on his time). Not only was he able to secure his material needs from you - he also found in you a perfect Source of Narcissistic Supply: adoring, submissive, non-critical, wide-eyed, approving, admiring, the perfect narcissistic fix. No Iframes You describe a very disturbed young man with a clear NPD. He values intelligence above all, he uses foul language to vent his aggression (the narcissist resents his dependence on his Sources of Supply). The narcissist knows it all and best, is judgemental (without merit), hates all people (though he calls upon them if he needs something - he is never above exploiting and manipulation). When not in need, he does not contact his "friends", not even his "girlfriend". After all, emotions ("sensitivity") are a deplorable weakness. In the pursuit of narcissistic gratification, there is no place for hesitation or pause. You put it succinctly: he will do nothing for others, nothing matters to him if it is not for himself. As a result, he lets people down and refrains almost religiously from keeping promises and obligations. The narcissist is above such mundane things as obligations undertaken. They counter his conviction that he is above any law - social or other, and this threatens his grandiosity. The narcissist, being above reproach (Who is qualified to judge him, to teach him, to advise him?), inevitably reverts to blaming others for his misdeeds: they should have warned/reminded/alerted him. For instance: they should have woke him up if they desired his precious company and wanted him to keep a date. The narcissist is above normal humans and their daily chores: he doesn't think that he needs to attend classes (that others do. This is the unspoken continuation of this sentence). Other people should do so because they are inferior (stupid). This is the natural order of things - read Nietzsche. Most narcissists are predictable and, therefore, boring. To love a narcissist is to love a reflection, not a real figure. Donovan is the most basic, primitive type: the somatic (or anal) narcissist, whose disorder is centred around his body, his skin, his hair, his dress, his food, his health. Some of these preoccupations attain a phobic aura ("freaky with germs") and that is a bad sign. Hypochondriasis could be the next mental step. But Donovan is in great danger. He should seek help immediately. His NPD - as is usually the case - has been and is still being compounded by other, more serious disorders. He is led down a path of no return. Donovan is constantly depressed. Maybe he has had few major depressive episodes but he is distinctly dysphoric (sad) and anhedonic (hates the world and finds pleasure in nothing). He alternates between hypersomnia (sleeping too much) and insomnia (not sleeping for two days). This is one of the surest signs of depression. Narcissists suffer, by their nature, from an undulating sense of self-worth and from all-pervasive feelings of guilt and recrimination. They punish themselves: they dress in ragged clothes contrary to their primary predilections and they direct their pent up aggression at themselves. The result is depression. Donovan also seems to suffer from a schizoid personality. These people prefer to stay and work in their rooms, in solitary confinement, chained to their computers and books - to any social encounter or diversion. They rarely possess sufficient trust in others and the requisite emotional baggage to develop stable interpersonal relationships. They are miserable failures at communicating and confine their interactions to first degree relatives. The total picture is that of a young person suffering from a Borderline Personality Disorder with strong narcissistic and schizoid hues. His reckless and self-destructive spending and his eating irregularities point in this direction. So does the inappropriate affect (for instance, smiling while pretending to shoot people). Donovan is a menace above all to himself. Borderline patients entertain suicide thoughts (they have suicidal ideation) and tend finally to act upon them. This aggression can perhaps be directed elsewhere and result in catastrophic consequences. But, at best, Donovan will continue to make people around him miserable. Treatment - psychoanalysis and other psychodynamic therapies included - is not very effective. My advice to you is to immediately stop your "unconditional love". Narcissists sense blood where others see only love and altruism. If - for masochistic reasons - you still wish to engage this young person, my advice to you would be to condition your love. Sign a contract with him: you want my adoration, admiration, approval, warmth, you want my home and money available to you as an insurance policy? If you do - these are my conditions. And if he says that he doesn't want to have anything to do with you anymore - count your blessings and let go. (www.healthyplace.com) -- Anonymous
A4 Are you sure you might not be an ISTJ? -- Anonymous
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