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Question #1182594189Saturday, 23-Jun-2007
Category: INTj INTp j/p
I am both an INTJ and INTP, I showed close friends descriptions of each type and both "fit me to a T." At heart I am a die hard INTP, but my mind is like an INTJ, I love philosophy as an INTP would, but often prefer function above everything. Not only is my girlfriend (an ISFJ) an enigma to me, as she would be to an INTJ, she is also supplemental in personality to me like her personality would be to an INTP. My best friend I both mentor and am more of a "tribesman," our friendship also confirming my INTP/INTJ concoction. It is unbelievable but very revealing, and useful. Has anybody heard of a case like this? One who in his personal life resembles both personality types so intensely? Because it is both functional and intriguing I gearing my personality towards higher externalization and emotional output, which is doing quite well, and I am now very aware of others' emotions. I have developed a personality theory as such, and my duo personality seems to confirm my thesis. I would like to hear any comments or opinions on this. -- Snow
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A13 Poster A5: Obviously you are trying for the win, some kind of online victory, as I was in fact not emotional in my post but you are trying to invalidate me as irrational and emoting. Very well, I was trying to get this back on track but you insist on a win. You claim my duo personalities are ridiculous, that I am emoting, that you are right, and I have yet to see you make any kind of reasonable argument. You have postured and made bold claims, you have boisterously presented absolutes and assertions on the emotional state of my retort, but you have yet to address the issue itself. Frankly, I think it is because you have nothing intelligent to add or you would have supplied it rather than non-sequiturs and strawmen. You are evading it, and though I did not wish to stoop to getting personal you keep accusing me of being irrational, emotional, being ignorant, having ulterior motives, so I will call this one like it is; you are extremely pompous. Had you met me with some kind of credibility I may have been swayed. Truly though, given the flimsy nature of your opposing argument, coupled with your insolent attitude, I am more convinced of my INTj/p duo personality than ever. With that I say good day to you. Also, you may have the last word, as I know you so sorely need it. -- Snow
A14 Dear Snow, not that I want to put myself in the fray, but I agree that it's impossible to be two types. I know that the INTx's can be close, and you'll probably display qualities of both. If you can't narrow it down to one type, I'm thinking that you're an INTp. In the "uncovered" profile, it says that they can sometimes be undecided on their J or P preference. I suggest you check it out (you very well may have), and if you're still on the fence, I think you're an INTp. Whichever it is, you're definitely not a feeler. -- Simon
A15 "Obviously you are trying for the win, some kind of online victory" Not at all. Just trying to show you the errors you have made, so you can re-think on the issue with better knowledge. How many times do I have to say this has absolutely nothing to do with me or you? "made bold claims" Just repeating Jungian and socionics theory, nothing "bold" about that. Everyone can go and read the same source material as I have. "but you have yet to address the issue itself." It's all there. The exact proof why your thesis is bust, and why your claim of being both INTp and INTj makes no sense. Have you even read what I have said? Looks very much that you are reading some totally different messages than what I have sent. You make up stuff that I haven't said. And ignore everything that's relevant. "rather than non-sequiturs and strawmen" Exactly how? You couldn't even tell what non-sequitur argument is, because it seems you totally lack any logic. Don't just state things you can't validate. "You are evading it" I'm not evading, you are. It's impossible to keep on the issue. Because you are concentrating on inrelevant personal issues. If you go and read my previous message again, I already asked you to stay on the issue and stay off personal matters. Yet you made another personal post. "I did not wish to stoop to getting personal" Still you take everything personally, and only concentrate on you and me. I'm being totally neutral in this, just stateing what's blatantly obvious. "you keep accusing me of being..." I haven't accused you of being anything. You are what you are, it's not any better or worse. I'm just showing to you that you are emoting constantly, and don't even try to be logical. You still haven't. Give logical and rational explanations to your statements to validate that you are not what I have said. That's what both INTj and INTp would do. You can go on and read from the profiles that INTp's and INTj's avoid personal issues, and concentrate on neutral theoretical issues. Have you done this at any point? No. Instead you try to divert the dissucussion to one about your emotions and relation between us, what I am like, and how I'm supposedly attacking you (when I'm not). These are irrelevant to the issue. And something that feelers would do. I'm just saying this because it will help you to realise that you are indeed a feeler. Especially since you think you are being logical, when you are not at all. Feelers can be logical too when they want to. The question is why don't you even try to? "given the flimsy nature of your opposing argument, coupled with your insolent attitude, I am more convinced of my INTj/p duo personality than ever." Yeah, that sounds "rational" and "logical". You must be right because you are angry at me, that makes the perfect sense... not. Flimsy how exactly? "Also, you may have the last word, as I know you so sorely need it." No, I don't want the last word. I just want everything to be clear on this issue. And I expect you to reply. But rationally, for the first time. -- Poster A5
A16 Jung didn't say you have to have one or the other predominating - he said it was better if one or other did. I think we live in more flexible times than he did where people are more informal and hide behind a persona less. I have never been able to decide if I'm Extravert or Introvert as I have equal characteristics of both. I'm an Ambivert. I get my energy from people and from ideas. I introspect a lot and I also talk a lot. I think a lot of ENFPs are like that. -- Tiggy
A17 sirac son of- i ask myself...why do they stain the name of a intp. why is it always the intp/intj wars. why do people not see the vast difference between p and j. (i grew up in a J environment, and have a survival based hatred which strengthens my P resolve). Snow,..is this really so hard for u? i have 3 areas on which to defeat u (i read enough to know that, that is the gist of the story here...i apologise). 1. the Hidden Agenda ( or ) and 'Aiming agenda' ( or )... is it so-hard to know which is the source of your insecurity and which is the height of your aim... ...for every person in the story of there growth knows these things explicitly 2. the P - J, thing excuse point 1., if it is offensive ignore it, thats not the point, this P - J discussion i will ilicit is more important, inthat it does'ent call judgement or shame on u. P - J is formative P - J is active 2. formative - ...blah...(i might remember some time in the future) 3. active -...they often describe P's as lazy, and Sticking to fixed moods... ..always i see this Boo-Yaa..and i don't like it,... read other forums, and even questions here, and u will soon seen that P- is not an INTP sticking to fixed facts. read elsewhere, people put it better than me that P's are about synthesis. perhaps i am to hot and angry to expound properly into what makes J different in the active period, and what makes both different in a formative period. give a shout, perhaps i can ellaborate if u like. take this poster for example, it is a copy paste from a different section in the forum Elaborating on A13, and has a corresponding dichotomy in mathemtical community as a preference for "problem solving" as opposed to "theory building". Both are important aspects of doing mathematics. Though not as productive or novel perhaps as the works of , I think also have their roles in mathematics as those who "deepen" the subject by connecting different areas of mathematics and broadening the understanding of the subject. Their approach is to amass a large amount of mathematical knowledge( function), and seeking global patterns that leads to new insights( function). They are also found in applied areas in which synthesis and materialization of ideas are more important than their discovery. - Anonymous -- Anonymous
A18 You are an ISTj who 'wants' to be an N. -- Anonymous
A19 This guy snow really has friends, and a girlfriend? There really is someone for everyone.. -- ISTp
A20 I have had a very similar experience in that sometimes I test INTp and sometimes I test INTj. I personally believe I am INTp but with the character ingrained in me to do things I don't want or like to do and to do things I don't think are important. Another explanation is that personality is not as set in stone as people like to believe. I believe that certain personality traits can change over time, but drastic change is not likely to occur over a short time. I think that some people might lead with different functions at different times. There are times I am much more intuitive in my thought process, and there are others when I am much more rigid, and preplanned. -- Anonymous
A21 It seems you have a curiousity to conclude one of four possibilities: 1. You are an INTj 2. You are an INTp 3. You are INTx, or both INTj & INTp 4. You are none of the above Many of the comments you have received have had the effect of antagonizing you rather than making you more confident in choosing one of the above. In my opinion, these type indicators are TOOLS. They do not determine who we are; they merely give us different ways to think about aspects of ourselves. In addition, when we know others' types, that can give us insights into how to tailor our interactions for better functionality. I test INTp but self-identify as ISTp, and I'm not bothered about the seeming dichotomy. I'm here trying to pick up additional insights into how I can better understand my internal processes & enjoy my external interactions, but I'm not looking for an answer of whether I'm S or N or something else entirely. Perhaps it would be useful to hold off on an exclusive conclusion ("I am this, I am NOT this") until you absorb the information about both types, go through a few major events in your life, and can subsequently better gauge which traits you naturally gravitate towards. A last word of advice - place less importance on the things you've learned to be good at, and more importance on the things you may not feel adept at but still find yourself wanting to react with before you impose your learned behavior over. (note to self: stop ending sentences with prepositions!!!) -- iAnnAu
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