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Question #1182594189Saturday, 23-Jun-2007
Category: INTj INTp j/p
I am both an INTJ and INTP, I showed close friends descriptions of each type and both "fit me to a T." At heart I am a die hard INTP, but my mind is like an INTJ, I love philosophy as an INTP would, but often prefer function above everything. Not only is my girlfriend (an ISFJ) an enigma to me, as she would be to an INTJ, she is also supplemental in personality to me like her personality would be to an INTP. My best friend I both mentor and am more of a "tribesman," our friendship also confirming my INTP/INTJ concoction. It is unbelievable but very revealing, and useful. Has anybody heard of a case like this? One who in his personal life resembles both personality types so intensely? Because it is both functional and intriguing I gearing my personality towards higher externalization and emotional output, which is doing quite well, and I am now very aware of others' emotions. I have developed a personality theory as such, and my duo personality seems to confirm my thesis. I would like to hear any comments or opinions on this. -- Snow
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A1 "Has anybody heard of a case like this?" - Yes. You are INTp! -- Anonymous
A2 I think I disagree. Now, I'm no Socionics pro or anything, so take this with a grain of salt, but I have a cookie-cutter INTj friend who develops complex conclusions with very little evidence. The fact that you could take a few internet websites (are the "enigma" and "tribesman" classifications from the Joe Butt MBTI site?) and decide that you are both INTj/INTp is very much an INTj thing to do, in my experience. An INTp is more likely to see things in terms of established logic (i.e. you are either one type or the other), whereas an INTj has no qualms about creating his own definitions to support his logical structure (as a right-brain, thinking outside of the box type). At least, that's how it seems to me. But like I said before, I'm not a Socionics master or anything, so see how the others respond to this posting. -- J-bob (ENTp?)
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A3 I disagree. In a situation where one Joe Butt's profile points to being an INTp and another Joe Butt's profile points to being an INTj, an INTj would say, there is obviously a contradictions, it is impossible to be 2 types, and will reject both, an INTp would say, what the heck, of course I could be both, but wait, what's that, damn that INFp profile also looks so attractive! -- Joe Butt
A4 That's the problem of being both, I fit both profiles to a T (on several different websites' descriptions). It's hard to say, "That's impossible." When it's staring you right in the face. The INTj and INTp do not seem to contradict one another at all, in fact, they seem to share some features and have unique ones. I have said unique features of both personality types, both good and bad (wrestling with the bad, obviously). It's not that either profile looks attractive I assure you, it's that my nature is very much both INTj and INTp to an extreme. To say my creativity is intense is an understatement, as I am always writing stories and things of that nature, and my logic seems stark and systematic like an INTj, yet philosophical and logical like an INTp. It really is something, and logically consistent as neither the INTp nor INTj seem to contradict one another in theory. -- Snow
A5 Snow: You base your "thesis" on reading a couple of profiles? If you would learn more about socionics, or about Jung's theories. You would realize that your claim is impossible, unless you have some proper research to bust the theory about functions etc. I usually score 55% perceiving, and INTp, INTj and ENTp profiles all "fit me". From the type assistant I get conscious P and unconscious J. And probably have to use Ne just as often as Ni. But still proper examination reveals that I'm Te subtype INTp, not some hybrid. Those profiles just are very similar. From your message it's obvious that you aren't either INTj or INTp. Most likely some xNFx type, obviously a feeler. And couple of generalisations: girlfriends are always an enigma and a supplement to their boyfriends, no matter what type. And INTp's never have girlfriends :> -- Anonymous
A6 Anonymous: I base my "thesis" on quite a lot of reading, and I was referring to common online, very simplified sources to explain exactly what I mean. The claim itself is not impossible because it is based off of a theory, not a fact. Gravity repelling is impossible, a human being having the traits of two different but similar personality types is quite possible. I know this because I am that person. I have seen many profiles that "fit me" to some degree, but only INTp and INTj fit me word-for-word to the point of accuracy within specific details. Also I find it amazing that you could deduct from two freewritten paragraphs explaining a simple situation that I am neither an INTj nor an INTp though my personality matches either or to a strange exactness. That's phenomenal from somebody named Anonymous. I'd expect that from a Dr. Anonymous. Finally, I am far far from a feely type, and girlfriends have not typically been enigmas nor supplements to me. I was being specific to pose the issue, you are being general to defeat the idea without proper consideration. I find that incredibly retarded and bullheaded. Also, a neat little sidenote, I theorize that personalities are malleable and changeable. You're right, INTps typically do not have girlfriends, so I geared myself towards the proper requirements to get one (such as better people skills, emotional awareness and reciprecation because I am almost always composed). My goal is to replace personality negatives (such as emotional unawareness) with other personality's positives (such as emotional awareness), extroverting a bit and such. So far I have been successful in this endeavor, and as it turns out I am both INTp and INTj. In short I am breaking the rules and quite effectively at that, and I would like to hear some opinions and perspectives on this, perhaps another case of this, or a secondary explanation or further information, not sheer stark in-your-face claims that it's "impossible" when it's already been done. -- Snow
A7 You are clearly N and you are clearly p, what else do you want, a candy? -- Anonymous
A8 Oh here we go. I said what I wanted, to pose the issue to hear some other perspectives, opinions, find out if this is typical, hear a secondary explanation, further information; you know, useful information, not intellectual ping-pong. -- Snow
A9 "human being having the traits of two different but similar personality types is quite possible." Humans have the traits of all types. It's matter of leading functions that determines your type. It's pschylogically harmful not to do so. It's impossible to use Ti and Ni at the same time. To have some support to your claim. You MUST explain how that is possible. And the explanation must be better than those proposed by Jung and others, that claim the contrary. Your "proof" that you decided this based on reading profiles is inane. "Also I find it amazing that you could deduct from two freewritten paragraphs explaining a simple situation that I am neither an INTj nor an INTp though my personality matches either or to a strange exactness." I can do that because I'm real INTp. If you were really INTp, you would understand how we do it. It's not easy to explain to non-INTp. For example: There was competition in car magazine to recognize a car from picture of it's front-light. And my dad asked me:"What car do you think this is, it might be a Triumph, but I'm not sure". And without even looking at the picture I said:"It's most likely an Anglia". And when he checked it online, I was right. And I don't know much about cars, and it was inrelevant. It was matter of connecting bits of information, that just connect, and making logical conclusion based on that. Also your emotional reaction to what I said, points out to a feeler. If you were INTp or INTj, you would more likely have had attempted to prove your claim with more clarity instead of getting angry with me. Also when you find this important:"it is both functional and intriguing I gearing my personality towards higher externalization and emotional output", it shows that you are a feeler. Person wants to "make it" using their primary and secondary functions, despite that perhaps some might want to improve other areas too. I definetly wouldn't want to be more emotional, on the contrary. I however would like to get the same things as emotional types get so easily, but by my own means. It's healhier to try to eliminate the anxiety caused by weakness in these areas, than actually to try to develope them. "I have seen many profiles that "fit me" to some degree, but only INTp and INTj fit me word-for-word to the point of accuracy within specific details." How about the traits that contradict eachother? That makes this claim a paradox. "That's phenomenal from somebody named Anonymous. I'd expect that from a Dr. Anonymous." Who I am, is highly inrelevant. And authority figures don't mean anything to me, and generally not to other INTp's either. "I was being specific to pose the issue, you are being general to defeat the idea without proper consideration." No you were not. You gave absolutety no proof to your theory. Just one ridicilous claim. It's same as claiming that it's possible that there are flying cows, because you saw a picture of a cow with wings. My generalisations were there mostly as a joke. "when it's already been done." No it has not, your lack of knowledge that makes you think it has. Show some proof that can be taken seriously, and then we can start discussing it in detail. -- Poster A5
A10 @A9 "I can do that because I'm real INTp" - then stop talking like an INTj FFS -- Anonymous
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