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Question #1137522626Tuesday, 17-Jan-2006
Category: ENTp ENFp
Is this an accurate statement: ENTPs can tell what other people are thinking, whereas ENFPs can tell what others are feeling? -- im better
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A40 My twin sister is ENTP and I'm ENFP so this is like the #1 cause of all of our fights (which happen quite often because we are always together). I feel like, being identical, we make a great science experiement for answering these types of arguments, because it seems like questions like thi sare the root cause of every fight we have. As the feeling twin, I'd say that I'm better than her a lot of times at tellign how peopel feel, because I care at least a little bit about what EVERYONE thinks about me, even total strangers, which my sister 100% cannot understand. as a cold heartless thinker, she will not take the time to pay a nanosecond of attention to the feelings or thoughts of people who cannot benefit her in any way (like complete strangers whose opinions don't necessarily matter, enemies, annoying people, etc.). I, on the other hand, feel Iam not quite as calculating and self-centered, so I find myself trying to please people a lot more than her, a trait i find is usually beneficial for me but can become unhealthy at tiems. Basically, my thinking twin is HORRIBLE at noticing people she doesn't particularly care about. I think your question is flawed in dividing the term "thoughts and feelings" because, since humans (thinkers included, even though they "feel" things much less deeply) are usually not able to clearly distinguish thoughts and feeligns within themselves or within others, so the distinction (and I do agree there is a distinction) becomes totally arbitrary in real life. For example, if the thinker is trying to read the 'thoughts' of a feeler, and they ask the feeler what they think about something, the feeler is incapable of separating what they "think" about something vs. what they "feel" about something anyway, because they are clearly the same thing, duh entp's. The majority of the world are feelers, so if you spend your time worryign about thoughts vs. feelings you're wasting your energy and you'll probably be misunderstood by pretty much everyone with a soul (which many thinkers don't have). Other random facts: I also find I am much better at dressing appropriately for certain occasions than my twin, and WAY better at telling if someone doesn't like me or is getting annoyed at me, and adjusting my approach accordingly. And to the comments about ENFPs beign 'moody'-this is probably true, but I find moodiness to be equal or worse for my sister for sure, because if she is preoccupied with something negative, she completely loses the ability to JUST BE NICE. LIke yeah entp's, we get that life's a B*** sometimes, but you don't have to be mean to ME about it, because it's not usually my fault. My sister CANNOT comprehend how I am mad that she is yelling at me when she just "explained" (in an extremely rude fashion) that shes not mad at ME she's just in a "bad mood" so how could I possibly be upset that she is screaming at me rather than talking calmly?!?! As someone blessed with actual feelings and a natural dislike for being verbally abused, I usually am unwilling to suffer for her bad mood. Naturally, I start getting upset at her mistreatment of me, which she views as "whining" and immediately FREAKS OUT (sometiems explodes) because she thinks I'm trying to start a fight, when it is clear that she started the fight by being crabby to begin with. -- i'm for sure better
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A41 I am an ENTP and I live with an ENFP (I also have several friends who are ENFPs). I definitely notice that ENFPs have similar insight into how people are feeling and what they are thinking as I do. I am always surprised when someone is as dicerning as I am about the workings of the mind as I am, and feel very, very vulnerable and uncomfortable knowing that these people are as adept at reading my mind as I am of theirs. I find that I guard myself more around ENFPs than many other types. I noticed that I can tell how people are feeling, but usually after the incident occurred and I analyze what just happened. I think that ENFPs may do the same because all the ENFPs I know say things that are hurtful to others (as I do sometimes, as well), but then they realize what they did and feel awful. -- entp
A42 A41: Interesting. I'm ENXp but I've been told many times that I'm like an open (very open) book to close friends and I don't mind if close friends can tell what I'm thinking or feeling.. If I don't trust someone to not judge I get slightly uncomfortable if they can read my thoughts but I'm pretty good at brushing it off. I guess I'm just afraid of not being loved (or more like liked) by a judgmental mind reader. And I don't guard myself at all around ENFps... I find it very easy to be loved by ENFps and they don't judge, criticize or hurt my feelings so they usually become my really really good friends unless theyre too selfish or evil in which case I like to keep a distance and be polite when we're around each other. Sometimes ENFps annoy me for different reasons like being too inappropriately nosey and conflict lovers and their constant desire to be explicitly approved of all the time and how most of them are never really listening to what I or people are saying and then making completely wrong and negative assumptions about people to name a few... buttt i still like them . Although ENFps tend to unknowingly hurt people's feelings sometimes, but they don't mean to... unless theyre trying to extract a truth or they are hurt themselves and don't know what to do about it. -- Anonymous
A43 No, that is an inaccurate statement. -- intp
A44 I think sometimes ignorance is really bliss when it comes to what others are thinking or feeling when there is nothing I can do. -- ENFp
A45 I am a very strong ENFP woman, and I almost always pick up on what others are feeling and thinking. I swear it's just intuitive. -- jules
A46 Yeah I'm an ENFp and I need people to explicitly tell me what they're thinking or what their point is whereas I can intuitively guess what people are feeling when they're around me. -- Anonymous
A47 As an ENTP I am able to detirmine motif's really well, but only can predict feelings. My mother is ISFJ, so a lot of my life as a teenager was making sure I didn't do anything I knew would anger her. Still, I'm a ENTP, it's not my fault I forgot to feed the dog... -- Anonymous
A48 yeah, the enfp feelings perception/ESP thing is pretty nice. BUT, it sucks on bad days, cause I get pretty paranoid. Like at school, I'll feel 75 pairs of eyes on me at one time, and if it's a bad day, I feel like I can hear all 75 people thinking about how retarded I look with my dirty shirt, or how stupid I looked when I tripped over that curb, etc. I think the esp thing is why I'm such a Klutz. Always have been a Klutz, but I believe it's because all my energies are focused on perception of the people around me, and not on the rake in front of me on the ground. Let me tell ya though, the perception of feelings is the best dang thing you could possibly imagine, on a great day, when you're the life of the party. NOTHING gets you high like feeling the perfect, most excellently positive energies of a 100 supportive, captivated people flowing into you. It's complete euphoria, nothing less. -- Andrew
A49 to the person signing as "i'm for sure better" - as an ENTP, I (my Fe) feel(s) sorry for all that stuff you talked about, I mean, if we stick with socionics theory, then her Ti must be pressing the wrong buttons on your Ti PoLR and maybe you also on her Fi PoLR. the only way not to press the wrong "buttons" on the PoLR function is being careful about usage of creative function (Fi for you, Ti for her) when directed towards the other person who has it as PoLR (Ti for you, Fi for her). anyway it was nice to read the opinions here before I got bored, so I'll just add my thoughts about whatever I read here so far: "And furthermore, oughtn't an ENTp to be a greater master of detachment than an ENFp???" - yes. "Determining why a person feels that way is much more difficult though. This even counts for understanding my own feelings. I believe Fe types are probably better at that." - yep, I believe Fe is focused on motivations underlying emotions so it can act upon those, and I guess Fi is focused on analysis of emotions. "Rather, you just get this vibe - kind of a gut feeling - and unless you put up walls, it's like everyone's got access to you." - yeah, Fe is like that. ENTP's know how to put up the walls though, via Ti. "thinkers included, even though they "feel" things much less deeply) are usually not able to clearly distinguish thoughts and feeligns within themselves or within others" - 1) thinkers can feel just as deeply as a feeler, just less often but when we do feel then it's just as important as for a feeler. 2) the boundary between thinking and feeling is very definite and clear 99% of the time, and some underlying implementations in the mind clearly exist too that are mostly different for T and for F stuff. -- hmmhmm
A50 I would say that ENFp's catch emotion very intuitive from others, but in a situation they are likely to misunderstand the motives of others by processing it with their feeling. Therefore the outcome ("How you have made me feel...") is more of a dictator of what the person meant and can cloud their judgement of how people think. For an ENTp, their emotional distance allows them compare the actions to the past, to current cues and to your future hopes and values already communicated. I would say the ENTp intutively understands emotions and thinking as one motivational package, but asked to gauge feeling alone they will be stumped. Ask an ENFp what a person was thinking when they chose to do something and they will probably be wrong. -- ENT(1%)P
A51 As an ENFp that's been around the block many times (too many) I can vouch that I'm really really good at detecting other people's feelings. I'm also really really good at detecting bull8&%$...I can smell it. (no pun intended)I am hyper aware of other people's subtle cues through a glance or smirk and/or body language. NOW...when it comes to my OWN feelings and people that I am romantically involved with...I'm really really bad at it because my radar is biased. It's hard to step back from something so close to me and 'read it' like I can when I'm observing people that I'm not romantically involved with. My INTj friends are c l u e less at picking up hints. Subtle doesn't work with these guys. You must spell it out. Very hard to communicate with a literal person if you are an idea person. It's so much easier for me to read between the lines than it is for my j friends. I can just hear you INTjs and ISTjs now...What the crap is she talking about? -- Jane
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