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Question #1135110931Tuesday, 20-Dec-2005
Category: ISTp Theory
Why should an ISTp not tend to be interested in personality theories, especially socionics? Theories are, theoretically, logical, and that's an ISTps area of creativity. They love people, or they have to, because that's their hidden agenda. Won't studying socionics help them understand people better? -- ISXp
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A1 yeah there logical but there also not proven fact so s might not necessarily enjoy that.also they tend to be lazy and learning a theory is harder than lets say picking up the phone. though it could in turn, as you said, help them learn how they could love a person, but love is normally a spontanous thing so it would have to be that kind of friendship like "love" in which case they would use the phone -- Anonymous
A2 Going by ISTps I know, I'd say they tend not to trust or give a d*** about theories, unless they've come up with them themselves, or the theories lie in a specific area of interest. They'd rather figure people out on a person to person basis through observation than memorize socionics and then categorize their aquaintances. Besides, that's way too much time and energy for them to expend. It likely wouldn't entertain them, and there's no real practical reason for them to learn personality theories. ISTps love their friends and families, but what's the point in trying to understand ~everyone~? They don't really care. lol. -- Dusty, ENFp
A3 Not really. They don't usually like personality type theories if they are more inclined to more tangible forms of amusement, or fun, or satisfaction. Like, racing a car, or building a race car, football, hustling, etc. It has nothing to do with how they go about learning to deal with people (if they actually put effort into such a thing). Also, usually, they just don't see the benefit in sitting around and reading a bunch of theory. If at some point in time they are shown a realizable benefit in learning a (personality type) theory, then they'll certainly launch into it. Otherwise, its just a matter of random chance. -- Joel, INTx
A4 There seem to be several ISTPs interested in socionics and other personality theories. Check out http://the16types.info/forums. Many ISTPs enjoy reading and are very good at memorizing information. They tend to look at the facts and try to stay objective. -- Topaz
A5 Well. Then I'm one of them. You see I actually posted this question to test if I'm ISTp or not. I was first introduced to MBTI by an ENFp whom I was very attracted to. Test results showed I was INFp (kind of weird) and so I read further. After I launched into it I couldn't stop, and I studied more and more. Until I got to socionics which was, I believe, so much better. Then after a few profile and function studies, I realised I may be ISFp instead. I always thought I was F, until quite recently. I studied ISTp and realised it was actually my psych. From then on I kind of accepted myself (as someone who is not very socially confident, and as a result, got a little more confident instead) and decided to study more. Yeah, thanks guys. Anyway has anyone heard of ISTp poets? -- ISTp
A6 any type can be a poet. type would probably influence what a person writes poems about more than whether that person is a poet. -- woodrow
A7 Most ISTPs I know do not care about generalizable personality theories. This would be more of a an xNxx trait. The xSxP combination is more about observing things as they happen and participating if its fun. Keep in mind the hidden agenda comes from a dark side, or is motivated by a deep rooted fear - it's not readily apparent. ISTPs tend to really love animals - and this takes care of that hidden agenda. An ISTP tends to avoid things which are uncomfortable and show no immediate and tangible benefits in the near future. Learning personality theory is far too generalizable. -- KML, ENFP
A8 People seem to think all ISTPs are exactly the same. Some ISTPs have badly developed intuition and these ISTPs probably don't give damn about MBTI or Socionics or anything like that. I didn't when I was younger. Those ISTPs who are forced to develop their intuition for example in (scientific) academic studies can resemble INTPs or even INTJs more than the typical ISTP description allows. I hated my academic studies right from the start but now I'm happy I finished them. Having cooperated a lot with an INTJ who helped me understand the concept of intuition and develop it I now use my sensing and intuitive functions almost equally well. I'm also beginning to understand why conceptual thinking sometimes has benefits to factual thinking... I'm also a great fan of MBTI and Socionics. I especially like to absorb the personality descriptions (and type relations) then try to sort out the relevant patterns in each and apply them to all people I meet (I'm not telling them that of course). I think I have developed this "personality typing at first sight" to a fine art and enjoy a lot when practicing it -- Semi-intuitive ISTP
A9 That's interesting that you came out as N, but feel you're S. I'm not saying that you aren't ISTP, but from my own experience, I think it's also common for 'N' people to enjoy 'playing S' for certain activities. I consistently come out INTP, but sometimes I like to act ISFP. I think it's common for NFs to have a special connection to ST, and for NTs to have a special connection to SF. Sometimes "opposites" are similar; I can be pretty sure that someone's either an xxxx or yyyy where x is the opposite of y. -- Jonathan
A10 haha. I loved personality typing for a certain reason or another. started with mbti then moved on to socionics. that's an interesting comment jonathan, but i guess I was unfamiliar with function and theory when I typed myself an INFp (according to tests and profiles). I believe the weaker and conscious functions are sometimes 'stronger' than your stronger conscious functions. 'Stronger' meaning recieving more attention compared to other functions, (and since it's the super-ego block or something, correct me if i'm wrong) we pay more attention to it to prevent embarassment and exposed weaknesses outside. For an ISTp we experience strong emotions however are unable to control them with much strength or precision. F types have much more control over their emotions, and what they want to experience. -- ISTp
A11 I'm very interested in the MBTI, It allows me to seek out better ways to communicate or getting things done my way that I think is suitable and fair for everyone. For example, INTJs think they're really smart with their theoretical manipulation, unfortunately when I say something against them with a hard fact they start stuttering and stumbling to challenge me. Pathetic. -- Istp
A12 ISTp's as a rule are people of action. Theoretical discussions do not interest them much. If they can't tinker with it, make it goes faster, higher, or blow it up, they get bored with it. -- Anonymous
A13 All quadra members feel the same about theoretical discussions. They'll learn the theory and then they'll try and get something out of it and ignore a lot of theoretical discussion. Mainly becasue it gets in the way of making/doing something useful. -- Anonymous
A14 I'm also very interested in MBTI. I often apply it to everyday life with regards to the people/interactions around me(looking for characteristics in everyone I interact with), and also think it's a great tool for self-awareness. Plus, it's just plain interesting. Re: the comment about strong emotions without control or precision, precisely. For quiet people, ISTPs certainly are hot tempered, most often for reasons that cannot be explained, especially to ourselves. -- ISTP Female
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A15 Perception is key. ISTPs like to work with and take apart machines, but the human mind is the most complex system, which is why I like to study psychology. -- ISTP
A16 I (ISTp female) am fascinated by systems - but I notice that I dive into a field by absorbing a ton of details and then trying to assemble it into the whole. Once I think I've got the framework (and I do contrast "my" version with others), I like to go back to the details and play with them. If this variable changes, what changes with it? If I make this part more efficient, what effect does it have on the whole? So from this I would guess that the interactive nature of typing has this playful functionality built into it. Of course, real people tend to be a mystery to me (and I to them), so rather than experiment in social situations, it's a *lot* easier for me to work with a theoretical system. I should probably also mention that the socionics test types me as INTp but I self-identify as ISTp, so maybe I have developed my N by this, my mid-thirties. -- iAnnAu
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