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| Question #1121539843 | Saturday, 16-Jul-2005 |
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| What is the correlation between IQ and psychological type? If there is such a correlation, this would entail that smarter people can be identified based off appearance. Clarification please. -- Jonah Feldman |
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| A25 To say IQ doesn't matter may be an overstatement but it is also an overstatement to claim that IQ is THE definition of intelligence. This is dangerous because it puts limitations upon human potentials that currently remain invisible to known science. An IQ test is an IQ test and when someone takes it all it is measuring is their ability to take it. If it happens to be correlated with income, gender, type(which may not be real to begin with) etc... it may not be so three hours, two weeks, or ten years from now. Any statistical device used is a compromise based upon practicality for the researchers(sometimes the sampling distributions may even involve different tests, how is this scientific?). To successfully complete an IQ test one must be literate and if not it must be administered by an expert. Already there are so many potential confounds.... -- noodlemuffin |
| A26 A24: Yes, true. There is a correlation between IQ and authority/professional/monetary success. But there are a lot of authoritative, rich fools in this world. I could go on forever on this topic, but. . .yes. I can see NTs doing well on IQ tests. I wouldn't bet on it though. It's not a rule. TO A25: agreed. Saying IQ doesn't matter is an overstatement, but relying on it or placing the high value on it our society does is. . .narrow-minded, rash, and a little bit dangerous. But it's a symptom of a larger problem, so c'est la vie. It's a value thing. IMO. -- DreamingOne |
| A27 An interesting question, but rather dangerous if taken too far. If there really was a correlation between IQ and psychological type, most people (who were aware of it) would not take the tests too accurately ... after all, even the best of us have human prejudices and cannot be totally unbiased. -- Dhananjay (INFJ-INTJ) |
| A28 I have thought about this a lot, and I do believe that there is a correlation between type and IQ. I am an INTP/J and have never been officially tested, but on all the "rough" tests (mensa practices....things from psych class) I have scored very high. My point is that the IQ tests are definitely aimed at the thinking and inuition functions. The only area that an S may score higher on would be the vocabulary or rote memory section. Putting blocks together to make a picture is conceptual and analytical, expressing similarities between dissimilar items is abstract and intuitive. I think that the "higher thought processes", or interpretive/reasoning skills are found more in the NT or NF types than any others. If I had to guess on which types were among the highest IQ scores I would say the IN's - just look at historical geniuses. da vinci- ENTP, hawking- INTJ...etc. Just my two cents.... -- bob--INTP/J |
| A29 I don't think S score more only on vocabulary or rote memory. I am ESTP and I score around 160 on the spatial part (basically i do everything right) but much much less on the other parts for example where you have to complete words (I suck at that, my ISFJ mother is very good instead f.e). I think Se dominants will score high on spatial and Feeling people can score very high on language parts (because feeling is a nonlinear process too, even in its judging form) -- Anonymous |
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| A30 IQ test is a speed test. The questions there are somewhat simple. But in advanced deep thinking, speed plays no part. So even a genius might not score extremely high. Probably somewhat high though. I think IQ test is only good for testing if there's something wrong with someones intelligence, not good for testing how intelligent the person actually is. There must be some cutoff level, after wich test becomes meaningless (120?, 130?). As INTp, even though I score high, I have problem with those tests, because I can think of more than one correct answer, and there supposedly should be only one correct answer. And my ENTp friend told the same. In theory all those answers are correct, since there's probably always some equation that would give any of those possible answers. My guess is that INTj would score higher, because they would settle for the most likely answer, and move on. -- RR INTp |
| A31 A30, I know what you mean. When I took the test, I disliked the feeling of being "timed"-that it (time) somehow had to do with intelligence. At one point I realized I had skipped a row and I was filling in the answers in the wrong spot. I went back, erased and corrected-I dislike being wrong, and it was that pressure of being timed that messed me up. I don't like rote memorization, if you get it right once, that should be enough. I like to process to come up with solutions-and often seeing other solutions to a problem. Advanced deep thinking is when I am at my best. I am an INFj, and despite my going back to correct answers while being tested, I still scored 155. IQ testing is used in schools to qualify children with learning difficulties for special help. However, unless they score below the average range-it is difficult to get this help. Some of these kids may have genius IQs, but having some other not yet diagnosed disorder may interefere with learning-but yet, no help offered. Are certain personality types more prone to learning difficulties may be a question to ask.... -- aj |
| A32 would it be true to say that the T types have no soul? -- Anonymous |
| A33 Would it be true to say that F types have no brain? -- Anonymous |
| A34 The irony in A32s' F-type question is that it requests a truth value. A32 would first have to define "soul" because a prudent T-type would not consider it worth their time or that of their listener to fire off something equally stupid ... and aren't F's supposed to be "compassionate" and some potentially "wise?" -- Anonymous |
| A35 I just have to jump in here, but I'm pretty sure that I'm an ISFJ, and everyone treats me like an excentric genius, but I'm pretty good with impressions. Why, because I'm an extremely resilient tactition and a philosopher to the core. Se is pretty much the embodiment of an intellect in action, its all about cause and effect understanding both of reality and abstract. My super strong base functions and paranoid introspective hindsite make me pretty good at these tests, because I'm insanely ambitious to the point where I'll bend reality if it gets in my way(who doesn't somehow its different the way I do it. Anyhoo I find that I can easily simulate Ne in hindsight, by putting my undstanding together in order to understand the context. The trick has been speeding up my thought, Then I can stumble upon hindsight before it becomes hindsight. I'm willing to bet that my iq potential is encounting. I'm simply a teen with a massive intellect. So the N bias stuff isn't necessarily true. I have a pretty wild imagination on top of that, but it might be due to some aspy tendancies. Se must be a more temporal lobe centered function and Ne a more frontal function. But yay more bragging, on top of that I have absolute perfect pitch, and see color in concepts. I'm extremely inquisive, and really thats all that's recquired to be smart. Still I'm only an ISFJ, yes poor me. Any tips for improving Ne quickly so I can be quick, I'd certainly be a happier person. I find that when I just do things without thinking Ne comes to me. -- Anonymous |
A36 @A35:"The trick has been speeding up my thought, Then I can stumble upon hindsight before it becomes hindsight." What you are describing is  . I find it unlikely that you actually are an ISFj. What makes you think that you are one? -- Anonymous |
| A37 A32,A33,A34.. my 2cents on the penny...me being a T-type, is that F-types are really the ones without soul. In one of Makaveli's books, he describes a freindly country, who refused to help there neighbour in war, and then he describes a cruel king, who went to his neighbours cause. The moral is, we the T-types are with a true soul, and F-types, by there excessive cognition on the subject break laws of human behaviour on which we are ALL central based, and therefore, in many circumstances and times avoid 'good action'. Plus, as a T-type, i feel really in tune with my soul, by virtue of me knowing how not to be deceived. I call my soul the P or J factor, but for me it is a P-factor, therefore i confirm my respect for any J-type, which would be a truely foriegn soul to me. Oh A35, learn laws, learn laws, they will blur the line between S and N and F and T. But in my 'bat-mind-mobill'e' the N and T conformations are choozen as the default ground of moving from here to the enemy (that is the solution, and the mood is lood lust) -- @sirac |
| A38 A10 writes: "Introverted types are probably better at concentrating on these kind of tests and appreciate the results more so they are more motivated to achieve good results." - That's worth noting ... -- Anonymous |
| A39 Well thanks A36, I find that comforting, maybe i am an INFP. Philosophic tangents have a way of screwing with your thought. -- Anonymous |
| A40 response to A37: ...in many circumstances and times avoid 'good action'. 'competent execution' is the necessary complement of 'good intentions.' correct so far. many F-types don't realize until it's too late there are laws governing human nature that will always trump, elude, or in some way resist the ARBITRARY laws of human legislation. though the part about the kings is suspect. -- Anonymous |
A41 I've maxed out every IQ test I could find on the internet. Perhaps I haven't exhausted all tests, but I've tried. I've simply taken each one until I know all the answers and pick them as fast as humanly possible. They don't assign scores higher than 140. It's become quite apparent to me that IQ tests test your ability to take IQ tests. It's quite circular, as A10 observed. But I would not be comfortable saying any more than xNTx types should out-perform other types. The intuition that xNTps should do better has not been explained  -- ENTj |
| A42 The one with world's highest IQ is Marilyn vos Savant who happens to be an ENTP. -- ENTP |
| A43 My comment was very unclear. I apologize. The underlying question is whether p or j correlates directly to higher scores *on the whole* What I meant was, "N almost certainly does correlate to stronger IQ test performance, and T almost certainly does correlate to stronger IQ test performance, but beyond that we don't really know." A single instance of record-breaking IQ (Marilyn vos Savant) doesn't resolve the question. It's suggestive, perhaps, but not conclusive. -- ENTj |
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