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| Question #1121539843 | Saturday, 16-Jul-2005 |
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| What is the correlation between IQ and psychological type? If there is such a correlation, this would entail that smarter people can be identified based off appearance. Clarification please. -- Jonah Feldman |
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A12 I'd have to disagree with everyone on this one. I don't think that your type has much at all to do with your personal I.Q. From what everyone says T's will always score higher that F's, and most think I's score above E's. The only relation between I.Q. and your type (that I can see) is that having an extremely high or extremely low I.Q. will cause other people to type you wrongly. I have taken many I.Q. tests with shrinks and social workers and have such an extremely high I.Q. As such my friends have been all over the board when trying to type me but they're always assuming I'm a Thinking type. In actuality I'm an ENFP, and nobody knows but me  -- Colin - ENFP |
| A13 Colin, the reason you score high on IQ tests is because as you said you've taken too many of them. IQ tests as well as personality tests follow certain patterns and once you know the pattern it is very easy to find correct answers. After you've figured the general principle, IQ tests become meaningless. I bet my hat you did not score high for the very first time, so there is nothing to be proud of. -- Dr. Zoidberg |
| A14 I must say that that hasn't been my experience. No matter how much experience I have of taking IQ tests I invariably score in the mid-130s. This was true of the first test I took and will, no doubt, be true of the next. I've given up thinking about and decided to just take the hint i.e. 'You have an IQ in the mid-130s. Deal with it'. -- jamese (intj) |
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| A15 The correlaton depends on how you define your "types"; each person will have a seperate system of type identification. If you *define* intellegent as being Intuitive and Logical, well, of course the correlation is going to be quite high! IQ tests have little Sensory and Ethical information in them, and - if you want to get theoretical - doesn't even give the brain an *opportunity* to use the S,F functions, so if you are an Ethical type (with the assumption that your F overrides your T) you are freed from Ethics in an IQ test, and can just use T. For instance, how can a person have any emotional reaction to "What comes next? 1, 2, 4, 8, ..." They can't! The non "mental" functions are taken out of the equation for a test like this. (Therefore, TYPE DOESN'T MATTER.) However, in day-to-day life, certain functions seem to give the *impression* of more or less intellegence, because in life, there *are* things out there that stimulate the S and F centers, so some people may seem less intellegent then others, when in reality they are actually quite competent. A question that may come up is "Oh yeah! Well, if thier N/T is so strong, why doesn't it dominate?" Why should it dominate? Isn't there something that you can do better then anybody else, but you still would rather do something else? Consider that having high emotionality and/or being a people person doesn't automatically make you an Ethical type, the same thing applies in reverse. Being a person who is huge and muscular and/or knows martial arts doesn't automatically make you a Sensory type. Unless you *define* skill as being equivalent to type, you won't see any correlation with type and skill. -- Anon |
| A16 No one seems to be commenting on one key aspect of Meyers Briggs typing - a person's preferences are being typed, not just his or her only strengths. An F may be well balanced with T or strongly F; the same goes for I/E, N/S, and J/P, and all people are able to develop strengths in areas that don't come naturally to them. The older people become and the more they have had a chance to develop all kinds of skills and experience many learning situations and teachable moments, the better balanced they often become and more intelligent it seems to me. So, does that mean the IQ of a person with F or E or S will proportionately increase(even if slightly) over time, assuming they might score lower on initial IQ tests? Most information I read leads me to believe that IQ isn't entirely static in the first place and can change by a number of points, and areas of weakness can become more fully developed over time especially with children and young adults. If you are looking at IQ and Meyers Briggs together simply as a means for determining which personality type is best at the specific skill of taking those tests, it is a meaningless discussion. Where I find the intersection of Meyers Briggs and IQ interesting is the following: It seems to me that people with higher IQs are often better able to more fully develop the non preferred, inferior aspects of their individual type - an introvert becomes adept at extraverted conversation skills, a deeply feeling person learns to compensate by logically and rigorously looking at a situation before making a decision, having relied too much on his or her preferred F in the past, a laid back P develops skills associated with task and time management to stay on track and achieve like a J. It is in reaching beyond one's type preferences or having the ability to do so, it seems to me, that high intelligence is exhibited, especially if you see that kind of growth and development in a person at an early age as compared to "most" others. On a side note, the smartest(meaning highest IQ) people I have encountered, by far, are INTPs, but they can also often be the least emotionally mature in many ways. IQs above 145 or so in gifted children are often accompanied by huge deficits in social and emotional function, but most learn to compensate over time. -- Kelly - INFP |
| A17 since the brain types are adaptations to reality, & our minds way of translating reality, there may be a minimum intelligence threshold which if not satisfied would prevent abstract N functions & T functions from developing, etc. This says nothing about SF types being innately lower in intelligence. I only think NT functions may require a certain processing power, or else the function would not develop as a realistic adaptation- since it is an adaptation -- ian RUST |
| A18 Logic is not the only intellectual competence. Someone may have weak logic but good capacities of concentration, observation, spatialization, numerical things... Now if someone is weak in these things and has a strong logic, logic can help him accomplish these tasks. For example if you have difficulties doing mental rotations, your logic will help you know which figure will we obtain after the rotation. Another person may have a weak logic but have good intellectual capacities because he is apt in the other fields of mental capacities. This is the most pertinent explanation for why not all the mentals in enneagram ( 5, 6 and 7) are Ts. And why not all the Ts are mental. Intuition may be helpful too in compensating the lack in other mental things. -- Complicater-Complexer, the typeless guy |
| A19 Answer to A17: that is an intelligent point to make, given that medical science has uncovered the NT temperament being a dopamine dominant brain type (high dopamine = more power). It would be better to use SP/SJ than SF for SF types because SP and SJ denote brain types with dominant harmony and rhythm, respectively. (NF types have dominant speed.) -- econdude |
A20 Quoting A13: Answering from another view point of an ENFp, I agree with A12. And not scoring well on the first try? Pardon me, but the very first IQ test I took, i scored in the 140s. Doesn't mean Fs who feel more than think, cant think.  -- Mea (ENFp) |
| A21 High IQ means that one scores above 115 on a (Wechsler scale) IQ test. There is no strong correlation between IQ and any other factor one might consider to be a measure of success. The thing that I find both shameful and fascinating about the people on this site is how many stumble over the idea that one's predominant behavior is the only kind of behavior one is capable of. Feelers think, thinkers feel, intuitives experience reality, and sensates have imaginations! -- metroGnome, the ostensible INTj |
| A22 Answer to A16: I agree that IQ may change over a lifetime, but for the most part people are born with a certain IQ. I wouldn't imagine it changing more than 2 points over a lifespan. The last time I took an IQ test was when I was 11 and I scored 136 (my psych. teacher looked this up for me on my highschool's database). Everyone is given an IQ test if they went to public school. Usually it was done sometime inbetween 3rd and 5th grade. If IQ really did change that much throughout a person's life, I would imagine that they wouldn't do IQ tests that early in life, and rather do it later on, such as in highschool. -- Interweber |
| A23 This is funny to me, because people are clearly taking this personally but are trying to cover up the fact that they're taking it personally by being super logical. lol. I think A10 made a lot of sense, particularly because it pointed out the fact that we're talking about a result on a certain type of test. It does make sense that people with INTX functions will have an edge on a mensa-ish IQ test, but it's not a rule. I'd like to remind everyone that we're making huge generalizations, and just because someone says your 'type' is at a disadvantage in whatever test doesn't mean they're calling you stupid, and it doesn't mean you would do poorly on an IQ test...and it doesn't mean all INTJs and INTPs would do well. Why? Because there are tons of factors aside form personality type that play into a test result. I doubt there is a strong, reliable correlation between type and "intelligence". I know an ESFP who is entirely brilliant and scored scarily well on an IQ test. I know an intelligent INTP who scored poory and for years thought he was an idiot because of it. I've also known people of various types who I would never in a million years call 'smart' who scored well. So. . .why does this (IQ) even matter? lol. -- DreamingOne, ENFP |
| A24 Answer to A23: if IQ doesn't matter, why do people in positions of authority and expertise score above average on IQ tests? IQ is certainly positively correlated with professional and monetary success (start with Buffet and Gates - both NTs by the way). I can think of a couple minor counterarguments to my own post here, but I read the book 'The Bell Curve' which has many undeniable arguments. -- econdude |
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