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| Question #1121287717 | Wednesday, 13-Jul-2005 |
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| Hello, I would be very grateful if anyone can explain to me the hidden agenda of the ISTJs and the ISFJs (to believe). -- Anonymous |
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| A1 Different people can have different behaviour influenced by the same hidden agenda. That's why "to believe" is quite broad definition of this particular hidden agenda and could also be interpreted in several different ways. For ISTjs and ISFjs it would usually mean that to feel comfortable and confident with themselves they need some sort of ideal or idea, icon, symbol, idol, deity, etc., to aspire to or to believe in. It is not uncommon, for example, to use the term "vision" by big companies to brainwash their stuff. This "vision" is the idea they are putting in the heads of their employees. The stronger the company's "vision" the more attractive it would be for ISTjs and ISFjs who work or intend to work in this company. -- Admin
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Thanks, this is giving me some insight. -- Anonymous |
| A3 I concur with the previous post. In some way that I do not completely understand myself Ni affects the coherence of personal belief. Without it one's beliefs have no anchor. Aside from that aspect though, both ISTj's and ISFj's have difficulty forseeing the consequences of their actions (the introverted rational functions Ti and Fi, and the extraverted sensing Se that is common to both types are all static functions) and it is in this sense that the hidden agenda represents a deficiency or liability. -- Anonymous |
| A4 The ISTjs and ISFjs I've known well are all so skeptical regarding any new information that is not generally known and accepted by society, in this sense they can have a hard time "believing." I've also known many ISTjs who are your hardnosed, textbook-example "skeptical inquirers." Apart from a downright miracle, they tend to be perplexed by anyone who demonstrates faith in any type of ideology, as they find it hard to do so themselves. -- anonymous |
A5 My dad's a ISFJ - he reads books that are out-dated by at least two years on world economy. Is there anything else to say? Oh, he also tries to start talking to me about the author's past and credentials. I am an INTJ, and I just walk out of the room.  -- Abdul |
| A6 ISTj and ISFj's unconsciously crave to delegate their identities to prevailing belief systems, be it the PTA, the US War on [whatever it is today], or being assistant sales manager of Strickland Propane, where they sell propane and propane accessories. They typically don't scrutinize these belief systems, and so they can very easily become part of the 'tryanny of the majority'. When they don't have a belief system to provide them with the context for their identity, under-developed ISTjs and ISFjs (which is most of them) tend to freak out and enter a deep depression spiral that can turn quite destructive (see the film "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas for an extreme expression of this). ISTjs will believe in their partner, in their children, in their company, in their country, in their planet (once we find life on other planets you'll see this start to manifest...). the belief system provides them with the fuel for their identity, "I tell you whut." -- Anonymous |
| A7 An ISXj does not look outside of his or her own box much, and what’s in his or her particular box is oftentimes limited. ‘Keep it simple’ seems to be the motto of the ISXj. Any complexity added to the normally black-and-white world of the ISXj is treated with a great deal of scepticism, and frequently with fear not because he or she is cowardly but because he or she is insecure about dealing with unfamiliar things. The ISXj can accept new perspectives or concepts but only if they are framed in terms or by people that are already present in his or her box. Trust will always be the Achilles' heel for the ISXj. -- I/O |
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| A8 Hi - yes I/O, i'm doing a bit of business with a friendly and polite card-carrying ISFj, and she has brought up the KIS principle a couple of times - except that I strongly detect that she's using it as a defense mechanism to keep out any new information/ideas, rather than as a way to achieve and honor clarity of issues, priorities and criterion (as, say, a healthy INTj would). Also - yes, you are bang on - the issues of trust have come up several times, as if it is just a matter of time before she is "jilted" in some way, be it (in this way) business-wise. I guess it's the old murphy's law stupidity that SJs seem to orbit around, always expecting things to go wrong and therefore influencing (in some degree) things actually going wrong - and then saying to themselves/others "see, things go wrong, I warned you they would!". The other thing I've noticed is that my ISFj friend seems to refuse, almost to the point of pathology, letting bad things out of that box you refer to. In this case, it's being let go from a job about a year ago. She actually seeks to pass this workplace (i mean the actual building) - why?? Is this an albatross or something? Some salt to keep the wound fresh? I don't know. But I will say this: she's a very nice and considerate person...but lots of this negative ISFj stuff gets in the way. Forcing people to go through hoop after hoop so that trust can be enabled is simply not how trust is created. Oh, one more thing to add (this has sort of evolved/devolved into an open letter to ISFjs...) - hey, you nice ISFjs, here's a thing to keep in mind, please: get rid of this instant-conclusion syndrome that you have, because your success rate isn't good - you aren't an INFj. So if someone cancels a dinner plan or says that the sun is shiny or says that their favourite colour is green, please don't jump to absurd conclusions that always, somehow, are meant to be a veiled criticism of you. it's not. dinner plans change. the sun is shiny. green is a popular favourite colour. none of these have anything to do with you and never will. so please stop jumping to bizarre conclusions that simply fit within your mandate (the bitter one). life will get easier for everyone. ok? -- Anonymous |
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