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Socionics is better than made out to be by some of you
by Ryan(LII)

Some of you, I've noticed, are really bad at typing people, and this would conclude the fact of you not liking socionics, especially not seeing use for it beyond the logic. A major problem is that a lot of you regard MBTI in your socionics efforts. Trust me when I say that the dichotomies aren't the same in both ...
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C12 Look at the interpretation of the meaning of a function and you will recognize that MBTI and Socionics are very different. For instance Si: for MBTI it is "Introverted Sensing: Reviewing past experiences; “what is” evoking “what was”; seeking detailed information and links to what is known; recalling stored impressions; accumulating data; recognizing the way things have always been. Remembering the last time you wore a particular item or the last time you were at a similar event—maybe even remembering how you felt then." Its interpretation as dominant for SiTe (MBTI ISTJ = Inspector)is: "Introverted Sensing Si is oriented toward the world of forms, essences, generics. Time is such a form, a quantifiable essense of exactitude, the standard to which external events are held. For both of the IS_J types, the sense of propriety comes from the clear definition of these internal forms. An apple "should" have certain qualities, against which all apples are evaluated. A "proper" chair has four legs, (and other qualities this poor INTP can only guess). Jung viewed introverted sensing as something of an oxymoron, in that the natural direction of senses is outward toward the object, rather than inward and away from it. One has the sense that Introverted Sensors are drawn more to the measure of the concept of the perceived object than to the experience of that perception." And now for Socionics it is "Introverted sensing (Si) is an irrational, introverted, and dynamic information element. It is also referred to as Si, S, experiential sensing, or white sensing. Si is associated with the ability to internalize sensations and to experience them in full detail. Si focuses on tangible, direct (external) connections (introverted) between processes (dynamic) happening in one time, i.e. the physical, sensual experience of interactions between objects. This leads to an awareness of internal tangible physical states and how various physical fluctuations or substances are directly transferred between objects, such as motion, temperature, or dirtiness. The awareness of these tangible physical processes consequently leads to an awareness of health, or an optimum balance with one's environment. The individual physical reaction to concrete surroundings is main way we perceive and define aesthetics, comfort, convenience, and pleasure. In contrast to extroverted sensing (Se), Si is related to following one's own needs instead of focusing on some externally-driven conception of what is necessary to acquire or achieve. So, whereas Se ego types feel capable to evaluate how justified others' preferences are, Si ego types will try to adjust to them in any way possible (given that it does not extremely affect their own comfort), wishing to minimize conflict. In contrast to introverted intuition (Ni), Si is about direct interaction and unity (or discord) with one's surroundings, rather than abstract process and causal links. Types that value Si prefer to spend their time doing enjoyable activities rather than straining themselves to achieve goals. They like to believe that if activities are done with enjoyment, people will give them more effort and time, and also becoming more skilled at what they are doing in the long run. They believe that goals should suit people's intrinsic needs rather than shaped by the demands and constraints of the external world, and so do not try to force others into doing things they don't want to do. They also try to be easygoing and pleasant, preferring peaceful coexistence to conflict, except when their personal well-being or comfort is directly at stake." Its interpretation as dominant for SiTe (Socionics ISTp or SLI = crafter) is: "A strong ability to recognize internal physical states in themselves and others, to understand how these states are reached, and to recreate and avoid these physical states. Individuals who possess Si as a base function are drawn to situations that satisfy their inner physical experience. Whenever Si base function individuals are taking part in something that involves recognizing, recreating, or analyzing physical states, they feel a great deal of personal power and enthusiasm. The avoidance of discomfort is one of the primary motivations of these types. Feelings of internal discomfort can arise from a tense psychological atmosphere, working too hard and sapping the body's resources, being pressured by other people or by numerous "things to do," and from unsatiated or oversatiated physical needs. These types tend to quickly recognize and be quite vocal about discomfort that arises and either take clever measures to dissipate it or simply get out of whatever is bothering them. They are very receptive to other people sharing feelings of discomfort with them and can help alleviate the tension and offer good solutions. Si leading types are constantly adjusting themselves to their environment (which includes the people around them), and rarely have any fixed ideas about what is "appropriate" to desire in a given situation. Thus they are willing to accommodate other people's needs in an ad hoc manner. It is enough for something to "feel right" for them to justify doing it. This behavior may seem random to outside observers, since it is concomitant with weak Ni." or: "Si Introverted Sensing: Primary Function Si – Represented by the sensation of harmony, beauty and health. Everything must be balanced. This is applied to his work, relations with people, selection of household articles, and in the comprehensive development of a physically healthy body. SLI capably remembers colours, odours, and somatic sensations; and can easily draw pictures of these in his memory. He remembers the taste of a delicious meal for years. In many respects he’s an aesthete. He often possesses a good artistic taste. Such, for him, is characteristically steady and contemplative, deprived of emotionalism. He does not relate to people that, by means of sensual energy, immediately give in to the very basic sensory pleasures: he prefers to leisurely “relish” his experiences, to in time separate the pleasant from the unpleasant. The surrounding world provides him a large range of sensations to which he’s very attentive. He magnificently realizes his physical state, understands his body’s possibilities and, therefore, may successfully occupy himself with sports – of predominately individual forms. But even in view of these things SLI often distances himself from sports in favour of a healthy mode of life, which provides him with the general feeling of being harmonious and balanced. This function’s manifestation makes itself noticed in regards to the SLI’s exterior appearance: he always dresses appropriately in a simple, elegant, sporty style: his clothing is primarily chosen based on convenience." Do you see and understand the difference? For the other functions, you also may compare definitions and interpretations from MBTI sites as http://www.bestfittype.com/cognitiveprocesses.html or http://typelogic.com/ with those of Socionics sites as http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Category:IM_elements http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Category:Filatova_descriptions Personally, and here it's an opinion (!), I find the interpretations from Socionics more credible than the ones from MBTI. -- piccolo_michel
C13 As already one of the posters shortly mentioned it there is another difference which I have to admit is slightly beside the topic. MBTI was developed by US psychologists and businessmen in order TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE while Socionics was developed in order TO HELP PEOPLE in their relations without they have to pay for this service! What is the most honorable? -- piccolo_michel
C14 This article had language like "trust me" and "I refuse to believe" and to me this is overcompensation and pride getting in the way of open mindedness. Everyone is free to believe what they choose. -- The Connecticut Kid
C15 Personally I would approach this subject from "both..., and" instead of from "ëither..., or". We're often very quick to attempt to justify our personal views, instead of looking at facts and results. -- Anonymous
C16 "Because you are not only criticizing this theory, but you are criticizing people behind it, people like me, and the people who can see the correlations . . . ." Clearly you are NOT an INTJ... -- Anonymous
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