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P stands for Phenomenon
by Sergei Ganin
If you normally decide on someone's type by going - E or I?, S or N?, F or T?, J or P?, then you MUST know this: P types have a misleading habit of showing off their J capabilities to new people. I wonder if this is something P types do without realising they are doing it or they really have a "sinister" plan in ... mind. In any case there is always a show off period, which fades away gradually as P types become more familiar with you. Of course, lots of what's been said depends on a person, but this pattern keeps popping up persistently.
At the beginning P types do what they say they would and keep their promises and come on time and show that they can be trusted, etc. They do it in incredibly believable way, if you don't know that you've got a P type in front of you, you would never question their trustworthiness.
Then time passes and they slip. First they slip just a bit, tiny little bit just to check how you would react to that. There is always an excuse, ALWAYS! Then they do it a bit more, and a bit more, and gradually as they feel they know you better, they let it go and before you know it all turns into one huge P mess. Endless excuses, poor time management, broken promises, unfulfilled contracts, cancelled jobs - you name it! This is the time when you really should start deciding on J/P bit, unlike the E/I bit that is more obvious at the first contact. So here is the rule:
E/I - the first preference in the type acronym - should be decided upon first, while the impression from the first contact is still fresh.
j/p - the last preference in the type acronym - should be decided upon last, after the first "run into" impression has settled and you begin to see the real McCoy.
And here is the graph to illustrate the above rule:
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| C18 I am ENFP and have always been almost overly concerned with peoples feelings and am very aware of how inconsiderate it is to be tardy. The result of this is I often have near panic attacks long before an event or appointment and often show up more than a half hour early often waiting in my car until 10 min before I am expected. I drive my family nuts with the "we are going to be late" panic an hour or better before we actually ever are late. Not sure why...we are really never late. They are cool and just accept it as my thing...for the most part. They were a little miffed when we were the first one in line to get into the drive in movie and then had to wait in our car for over an hour to get let in where the bathrooms were. -- Anonymous |
| C19 Well I posted some against-arguments earlier on here and eventually SG persuaded me that we should decide on the J-P scale last. But things have changed since, I have become quite a reliable in-time-comer, even when meeting people I have known for a very long time. And as it is now 5 p.m. and I am waiting for my INFj sister to prepare lunch that she had promised would be ready at 2 p.m. (this is about the hundredth time this happened) and remember my ESTj aunt, a pastor, who demands everyone to be punctual but she herself has never come in time for the service, I am starting to seriously doubt everything written in this article. Let me just take the pastors that used to serve in our congregation: the most reliable and punctual ones were one INTp and one ENTj, the least reliable and punctual ones were one INTp and one INFj. I have trained myself to recognize ESFps and INTps, and again, some of them are extremely reliable and punctual, some of them are not. So I see no system here. I think this depends more on personal discipline than on type. -- Siili (ESFp) |
| C20 This article is attempting to vent on P and has nothing to do with Phenomenon. I, a P, certain have a lot to say about Js. -- Peter |
| C21 Part of the discussion should be focused on dynamic vs. static personalities. Many of the "flighty" traits that seem to upset you sound like IP style traits. EPs tend to me more straightforward (most likely b/c of their extroversion). EJ can also be very shifty, though they are more scattered and talk more so it is harder to pick up on their BS sometimes. IJs on the other hand seem very honest and straightforward. Once again, Socionics has an explanation for this and it is the "dynamic" and "static" properties. EP/IJ are static, and EJ/IP are dynamic. They are kind of similar to their name. Static personalities prefer to perceive the essence of steady reality while dnyamic personalities prefer to analyze the changes and shifts in reality. Let me try my J on for size: There may be some truth to this in the same way Js can appear very open minded at first and then suddenly their true, closed minded sides show. They start to ignore reality and what everyone is telling them even when it is right in front of their face. Ok, we could go on like this for awhile, but why not point out more objectively the differences b/t P and J rather than venting your frustrations about Ps in a rather bias manner. I think, to be honest, Js are less likely to see the benefits of Ps than Ps are of Js. This comes from the open mindedness that Ps possess. They can easily perceive how they appear to someone else. That said we are all generalizing here almost to a fault. I think in the end you should respect everyone for who they are. You can learn from everyone and if you don't think that is true, it's a self fulfilling prophecy b/c you will never teach anyone anything useful. -- Anonymous |
| C22 I get shivers from reading this article and most of the reactions to it. The last thing that's going to do anyone any good is to be so judgmental whether it is about J or P or any other preference. And a special word of unsollicited advice particularly for SG: if you are going to tag someone as having a P preference just by the fact that he's not very punctual you're going to be wrong many, many times. I have P in my typecode but in a work situation nobody has ever identified me as such. That's because of the good type development I have managed to obtain by paying a lot of attention and handling work according to the J preference; not just in the beginning of a venture, but always. People are very surprised when I tell them my preference is P and I assure you I could have won many bets on this. In fact I'll even go as far as saying that I'm more punctual and better organised than many people who prefer J. But J is not my natural tendency, and that's precisely what the 4-letter code reflects: someone's reflexes for a certain approach, which is why it's called a preference. No offence meant to anyone! -- Marc |
| C23 Well Marc, you've misunderstood and now twisting my words. I may as well give you an unsolicited advice since we are all so generous today, if you're going to give advice make sure it refers to a factual event and not your own fantasy. No offence taken. -- SG |
| C24 This article is so funny. There is good harmony with the words and sentences. I love "huge P mess"-so subjective and intense. Anyway, I am an INFp and I think I tend to mix it up with being late somtimes and other times being on time. BUT I've always (ALWAYS!) on time when I've had to be. -- learning |
| C25 like several people have already said, P's "pretend" to be J's because society values P's more than J's. Which is unfair, but that's how it is. I wouldn't even call it "pretending", I would call it "an attempt at self-control". Certainly that's how I view my feeble attempts- an attempt to develop an deepen myself. And just to insert a P-erspective rant in this J-centered comments section: Most J's need to work on something that for lack of a better term I will call "Self-awareness", but that's really not the right term at all. You're not right ALL the time, for God's sake. Oh, and loosen up. If I got snowed in and couldn't come to work for ONE DAY, we're still going to be able to finish the project we're working on together. Stop having a cow. -- Anonymous |
| C26 P types are the types that show flashes of brilliance. It is like a soccer player who doesn't seem to do much for most of the match, then produces the winning goal, which is of course remembered as the most important contribution. The J types of soccer players have a consistent work ethic, but they are plodders. Although J's are predictable, which can be a GOOD thing, that predictability stops them from producing something fantastic apparently out of the blue like a P type will do, which is a BAD thing. Every team, soccer or otherwise requires it's plodders AND it's match winners-it's geniuses. And on working alone a J type will bring different things to the table than a P. Both different but extremely productive-a plodder (J) and a genius (P.) -- my ex's lawyer is the Anti-Christ. |
| C27 Really, there is no need to simplify anything this far, IMO. Punctuality is something closer to a habit then to the inherent psycological structure. My friends, typical SP has leaned this very quick in a police high school, se he was deeply shocked when I mentioned I am not allways on time at my work for 9am (he had to be at 6am). Punishment used to be unavoidable and rather harsh for him, that's all! Punctuality is from the realm of hand watches, not from the world of natural drives, I believe. -- Gera |
| C28 Is the contrary also true? Do J types have a misleading habit of showing off their P capabilities to new people? -- piccolo_michel |
| C29 Well said! I always pointed at that difficulty I had to get this J-P bit right for somebody quickly enough... and Yes 95% of the case, you will get the E-I part correct since the first sight. What make me smile is being a "P" myself, I'm so always on time on first dates, and flawlessly shamely late around the 3rd 4th one... ask me why I can't do it different as I'm so inconfortable with it? Good job! -- ENTp uncovered |
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