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Things to consider about MBTI® theory (Part 1)
by Sergei Ganin

You have probably noticed that the types on this website have slightly different acronym: three capital letters followed by a small "j" or "p" instead of the traditional four capital letter acronym. This is because there is a slight incompatibility between the MBTI® and Socionics/Jungian type due to the ...
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C12 Another idea recently crossed my mind and I'll try to present it in few words through the example of ISTp = ISTP and ISTj = ISTJ. The ISTp(P) analyzes things as they are (TiSe) in order to organize them in an effective and agreeable way (SiTe) while the ISTj(J) organizes things according to to his habits (SiTe) in order to analyze them as they are now (TiSe). So what is the main process? the first "external" one (MBTI) or the second "deep" and "personal" one (Socionics)? What do you think? BTW the F-D MBTI test scored me as a "rational ISTJ", one Socionics test as an ISTj and the other one as an ISxp (or in a nutshell, an "irrational ISTj"). From descriptions I fit a little more with ISTp -- piccolo_michel
C13 Sensational info. I look forward to seeing more. -- yogita
C14 You touched upon one of the differences between MBTI and socionics, but there are several other key differences that make the two systems more than just slightly incompatible. First off, the very concept of introversion/extraversion is completely different in MBTI vs socionics. MBTI extraversion is when someone feels energized by social interaction and is very outgoing. Socionics extraversion is the concept of reflecting back on objects with one's primary function, and can include subsets of MBTI introverts as well as extraverts. In fact, most if not all the functions have differences in the way they are defined between the two systems. -- sjy
C15 It's clear you haven't the slightest idea of what your talking about because this statement is completely incorrect. "Jung: Sensing and Intuition are P functions, always! Myers: Sensing and Intuition are P functions, but only if they are extraverted! Socionics: Sensing and Intuition are P functions, always!" MBTI recognizes Sensing and Intuition as Perceptive functions as well. Extraverted functions are typically more visible and are typically quicker to act in an immediate situation and that's what J covers. ISTJ is a dominant perceptive type...but they are slow to trust/gather external information because that function is introverted and therefore will be quicker to act using their extraverted function. Their total perspective is still mostly influenced by Si but Te will be very visible and ready to act. -- Ray Mabry
C16 @C15 Introverted Sensing type is Perceiving according to Jung, while you seem to be claiming it is Judging. FAIL. -- Anonymous
C17 Here is my only question. even though say INTj in MBTI is INTP, isn't it easier to type them as a perceiving type due to the "appearance" of their lifestyle... as in how organized or not they are. I am a socionics INFp but have quite the OCD case as to my external life. I can relate to previous arguments because my feelings emerge first, as in laughter and tears so on and so forth, but my internal world will sometimes continue even if I can't or don't have time to laugh. I have noticed this separation being around my dual, who often doesn't really hesitate at all in order to speak and move the environment. It's almost like my feelings get cut off at times. Point being though, if I don't have my things and objects in my life visible to me I get upset. My room looks messy but it is organized this way. I just wonder how we can observe introverted perception... can we? I think so because of interaction with my dual, but I personally do not understand it. someone help!!! -- Anonymous
C18 I think that you misunderstood her thought process slightly. In my mind, it went more like: Judging has to do with being organized, scheduled, and methodical. A type that is organized, scheduled, and methodical likely organizes their external world. Judging functions are organized, scheduled, and methodical. Therefore, if a person is a judging type they organize their external world - thus the function they use to orient themselves with the external world is judging by nature. Her theory was more concerned with how a type acts on the outside. Types that have a judging function oriented externally would more likely act in a judging manner on the outside. -- Anonymous
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