classification
structures.
MBTI
assumes that an extroverted function must dominate a particular type, perhaps
because interface with the external world is considered fundamental; it is also
likely more observable. Socionics doesn't make this error. However, both
systems erroneously refer to sensing (S), intuition (N), thinking (T) and
feeling (F) as functions when in reality, they're preferences employed by an
input/output control system. They further indicate that functions are either
extroverted (E) or introverted (I) when in fact these terms refer to
perspective rather than to function; a function should refer to the interaction
of elements.
Type
must be built upon a closed or open-loop control system, the behaviour of which
comprises a temperament. Closed-loop compares data with that already in memory
and interactively modifies memory in small increments on a comparative basis
whereas open-loop overwrites memory on an interrupt basis, unconditionally
replacing old information with new. Open-loop considers real world data as
more relevant than that which resides in memory whereas closed-loop assumes the
opposite; and temperament can be either an input or output-driven process.
The
following table contains the priorities for input and output-driven processes
within two control system configurations, and common traits of these
configurations. The Socionics columns contain only priorities that affect its
j and p-type profiles, while the MBTI rows contain priorities and common traits
that affect its J and P-type profiles.
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SOCIONICS j (Output driven)
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SOCIONICS p (Input driven)
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Common Traits
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MBTI J (Closed-loop)
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-
control
-
know
-
verify
-
engagement
(EXXJ/j)
|
-
security/health
-
experience
-
examine
-
alertness
(IXXJ/p)
|
-
react to stimuli
-
lock onto
-
centric
-
interactive
-
focus on
-
adjust memory
- work from the familiar
-
comparative
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MBTI P (Open-loop)
|
-
plan
-
understand
-
analyze
-
objectivity
(IXXP/j)
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-
exploration
-
environment
-
acquire
-
awareness
(EXXP/p)
|
-
has a direction
-
maintains distance
-
peripheral
-
independent
-
expand outward
-
overwrite memory
-
adopt the new
-
associative
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Note
that the priorities and traits listed in the table are not related to E, I, S,
N, F or T. Thus, Socionics will not be able distinguish vertically among the
priorities while MBTI has the same problem horizontally. Unlike Socionics,
MBTI should be able to properly allocate common traits to type; however, the
assumption that 'extroverted leads' would erroneously imply that input-driven
types operate only in open-loop and output-driven types in closed-loop. MBTI
structure does, however, lean toward the fact that input and output are
inextricably linked (paired) and Socionics correctly implies that S, N, T and F
are independent of temperament.
Input
and output processes operate with preferences somewhere between absolute (S and
T) and relative (N and F) extremes - there are no precise terms for these
preferences so many notations would be valid; however, the concept of
introversion and extroversion should be replaced by control-system concepts and
notation. For example, INTj could be described as logical with intuitive input
and open-loop temperament (LIO), or as an open-loop temperament dominated by
rationalization in absolute terms and fed by relative input (OR
AI
R).
Note that the J/j and P/p designations add no information to type; they may
even confuse so are better omitted as in the original Socionics notation.
In
conclusion, both MBTI and Socionics have diverse classification structures due
to an incomplete picture of how temperament must operate, so the analysis
stemming from them cannot easily be cross-compared. MBTI may better discern
common processing traits while Socionics may better discern independent
preferences, and whether input or output leads processing. However, neither
system has properly defined data-flow, process or function. Hence, their
analysis of type have aspects that can be somewhat inexplicable without
augmentations or exceptions to their respective theories, which constitutes a
patch-work approach. In order to properly assess type, one needs to first analyze
the control system and then add in the affects of preferences and perspectives.
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Your Comments: 1+ |
C1 "MBTI assumes that an extroverted function must dominate a particular type, perhaps because interface with the external world is considered fundamental; it is also likely more observable." I don't understand this. In the case of an INTP in mbti, their dominant function is said to be introverted thinking. In this case (along with all Ixxx in the MBTI), an introverted function dominates the type, contrary to what I thought you meant in your quote. -- Doctorjuice |
C2 I can't say I understood all of your article, it was a quite painfully slow read and I had to pause intermittently throughout the article to think about and digest the information and concepts. However, it was an excellent read. Why not create your own system? -- Doctorjuice |
C3 Doctorjuice, I understand how this article may be painful; I tried to explain the two systems relative to my own concept but it didn't work all that well. Keep in mind that with both systems, you are dealing more with labels than actual functions. I would prefer to convince Socionics proponents of a need to introduce a temperament (input/output) structure below their preferences. An entirely new system shouldn't be necessary, only the model needs amendment, a task which I'd leave to experts. -- I/O |
C4 Understood. Now, I'm a bit puzzled. For people who have an introverted input function (inside the circle), for example an INTp, my understanding is that most of the input they are receiving has to do with conceptual changes in oneself (Ni). If this is true, then their main function pair (Ni and Te) wouldn't be getting ANY external input; the only external input they could receive would be from functions they barely use (Ne and Se). Furthermore, this must mean that types with introverted input as their dominant function receive hardly any external information and thus must be quite oblivious to their surroundings, or what's happening around them. I think you can see this conclusion is obviously false because, at least in my experience, introverted sensing types seem quite aware of what's going on around them. So, I'm either missing some piece of the puzzle or my reasoning wasn't perfect somewhere in there. -- Doctorjuice |
C5 C4, all input originates from the outside but for IXXp and EXXj, input is first compared to references that reside on the inside before it is rationalized; in a sense, IXXp and EXXj rationalize the difference, which now has an internal bias. For these two temperaments, input has to be referenced to what is already known for stability purposes. For IXXj and EXXp, input is direct from the outside and unbiased - there is no comparative step. Refer to my article entitled My Take on Introversion and Extroversion. -- I/O |
C6 :) -- Anonymous |
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