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The real "Ethics" of Gamma SFs - Uncovered
by Astra
Gamma SFs, the Politicans (ESFP) and Conservators (ISFJ), are masters of exploiting interpersonal relations to ensure they get what *they* want at minimal personal cost. The game is self-assertion and obesiance, and what they want can change on a whim. Depending on their perceived "severity" of the issue, they can ... demand that the world stop, every logistical system of polity and natural order be circumvented, and everyone around them be miserable, wait, or lose out if they have not yet acquired what it is they want, or believe themselves to be entitled to (though often arrived at through no particularly sound methodology). They fear change and novelty like the plague, making them subsequently appear reliable, traditional and conservative ... "good citizens" quietly supporting the status quo through the mundane efforts of their chosen daily grind. From all appearances, they exemplify patriotism and good stewardship. They are masters of consciously presenting the right particular image as someone who is "worth" whatever goal they have in mind for the moment. But truth be known, there is nothing about their cognitive wiring which makes them inherently more "ethical," in the common sense of the term, over any other type.
Gamma SFs possess an innate "us vs. them" mentality. They seek materially gainful relations with others which enhance their personal sense of conservatism, material prosperity, and inconspicuously "normal" - yes, even mediocre - social appearances. You're either in their club - because you contribute economic value and/or make them look good - or else you're out. Depending on the situation, Gamma SFs may hide some of their resources in the hopes of gaining more from another, at the others' expense. It doesn't matter which party is in better material standing - as long as they can find any means possible to extract what they wish, concern for the welfare of the opposing party aside. They attempt to elevate their own image as reasonable, "normal" citizens by denigrating others through their own irrational perceptions and whims. A good example of a Gamma SF is the cantankerous restaurant customer on old Sesame Street episodes who Grover (ENTP) must repeatedly serve.
Able to restrict their vision solely to one point of view, the Ni-infused Gamma NTs value and possess the fine art of tactfulness necessary to sensitively accomodate the Gamma SFs so that their ego - personal image and sense of power - is not threatened. In positive terms, Gamma SFs are the most "loyal" to whatever it is they hold dear - no matter how inappropriate (i.e., irrational or outdated) a solution may be to the needs at hand. But Gamma SFs are the most narrow-minded of all types and the most inconsiderate of others peoples wishes and rights - especially anyone who happens to be fundamentally different from them. The thought of accommodating two agendas, their own and anothers, even if logically feasible, doesn't phase them. As long as they get what they want first, despite any possible gestures of civility and thoughtfulness, they really couldn't care less about anything else and there's no sense to them in devoting time a moment's time to considering another's inconvenience. They figure that it's "their" problem to deal with. The more extreme the type, the more severe or even harmful the other's loss they will be "resigned" to. "Too bad" will be their simple reply toward the unwitting, perhaps good-natured fool on the receiving end. They can limit their view to whatever belief they wish as to why the other was less deserving than they. But Gamma NTs know how to politically circumvent the Gamma SFs material self-orientation in order to create their own win-win scenarios.
The emotional control of Gamma SFs is second to none, which can potentially make them appear to be the most coldhearted of all the types on the right occasion. Their focus is on what they want, and they do not want to hear any other options, or anything which may challenge their original conception of what they desire. The appearance of more extreme types can be suave, seductive, powerful and vain. They simply want the obesience and/or assurance, in whatever form, that their desires will be satiated once again, and their sense of stability and mediocrity is maintained. Demonstrations of competence and excellence beyond the norm "threatens" their position of power, and will solicit scorn and underhanded attacks to weed out their enemy via whatever political means and re-secure their sense of mountain-top power. Those means will seem absolutely civil, even "moral," by all APPEARances, and any foul play will be most cleverly disguised.
If you really want to upset an Gamma SF***, express calm and also empathy if they are complaining - empathy in the sense of, "I'm really sorry - I know it must be frustrating that X; and you'd expect X to be there". They will misperceive it as insulting behavior which is extracting power from their position, rather than the sincere courtesy you intended. If solicited, be sure not to give them any direction on what decision they should make, e.g., if waiting for a certain activity to be swiftly resolved is "worth their time" or not. Leave it for him/her to decide. Ignore their appeals to a higher authority to solve a problem by asserting your own technical competence in the matter to be at least equivalent to anyone else currently available. Trivialize their complaint of another's "intrusive" or offending behavior at a seemingly unrelated distance by validating it for the other person according to their own needs and circumstances. Suggest "teamwork" (i.e., apart from following their directions to a tee so as to make them "look good"). Inadvertantly challenge the direction they give you by naturally suggesting new, especially better options. Shower them with new ideas and designs, and offhandedly troubleshoot their technical problems before their very eyes. Be sure to exhibit curiosity and a playful sense of experimentation as you do it. And if you really want to scare the hell out of them, just demonstrate any degree of conceptual imagination for fun. Alpha NT kind is best. They'll quickly conclude that you must be insane, or else demonize you, and aggressively turn your friends, family, or coworkers against you, vehemently persuading them that you should be committed, or at least avoided at all costs. And if they've selected you as enemy material, they will probably succeed in unnecessarily destroying many of your relationships - personal or professional - you've come to depend on in order to feel socially integrated.
Contrary to Alpha NTs, who have an almost instinctive sense of universal, moral and local law from an empathetic standpoint, Gamma SFs are the most apt to sympathetically take the law into their own hands or else "work the system" so as to right the wrongs which they, often erroneously, perceive. The result is in more moral damage for everyone involved than what should have been rectified. Gamma SFs are the rock-solid believers in whatever desire they assume is worthwhile and will stand by it and fight for it until the end. Naturally, this is ability is potentially as valuable as any other type's combo of ego strengths, per its appropriate time and place in the scheme of things. But do not assume these people to be innately more "moral" - or even worse, that their conflictors the Alpha NTs are the least moral - simply by virtue of their type, as this is hardly the case.
*** Written facetiously. These tactics are not recommended nor even desired by the author.
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C1 Example celebrities who are Gamma SF: Elijah Wood, Michael J. Fox, Topher Grace, Brendan Fraser, Michael Buble, Michael Caine, Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Judge Marilyn Milian, Whoopi Goldberg, Kevin Spacey, Sean Connery, Adolf Hitler, Leonardo DiCaprio, Gene Hackman, Walter Matthau, Mark Wahlberg, Brad Garrett, Melanie Griffith, Clark Gable, Ayatollah Khomeini, Richard Karn, Roseanne Barr. -- The Author, "Astra" |
C2 Yes, the Se in this description is evident; however, it sounds like you've described ESTP and ISTJ here more than ESFP and ISFJ. -- the Artist |
C3 Very good article! -- M |
C4 Its because of the Se that one can find a ISFJ as the controller of a household, even though they are introverted in nature. I think it should also be noted that these Gamma SF's will be a wreck if they lose control (or perceived control) of their own lives for any reason. Luckily this usually has to be because of uncontrollable external sources, because they spend so much time trying to control everything. Unluckily this control always seems to be too much to me. Silly Alpha NT's. -- ENTPee |
C5 "Danny Devito types" fit this. But he's been typed ISFP by theorists. People of his same type always seek materialistic advantage in daily life, and do everything else this article describes. -- Anonymous |
C6 I never considered gamma SFs the people who go all out trying to "control" others. Honestly, if anyone, alpha SFs would be those people. Or why not delta NFs. Or anyone else who just aren't too good at coping with daily life. A slightly different perspective would have you arrive at this: The smart gamma SFs are getting good at "influencing" others to do what they truly and honestly believe to be for the best. This is strictly different from "manipulation", and this practice arrives at skills that can benefit (xxxx type) a lot. Please keep i mind that EVERYBODY on earth has a socionics type, and millions of these people are nasty to the core. Besides, what is even the point of this article? If it is to provide insight, then rewrite it. It's overflowing with disdain, possibly due to negative personal experiences of the author. Still there is that sound of "these are facts, do as you will with them". Is socionics.com a streaming pot for alpha NTs? Yet they call me the critic. If the point is to be funny, well .. didn't amuse me too much. Then again, I rarely find guidelines on how to step on someones toes too funny. -- ILI |
C7 OH YOU ARE SO RIGHT, I'm an iNtj myself and I can attest to how well isfj's and esfp flip ethics back and forth to fit their profit...i'll bet you the world this article is written by an intj also. -- Anonymous |
C8 The thing to learn from this article and its corresponding comments is that alpha NTs can be as adamant, non-universal, narrow minded and have as much of an us vs them mentality as the gamma SFs they have described. This article reeks of personal alpha NT bias and animosity. -- Anonymous |
C9 @C8, how do you know the author is Alpha NT? The author hasn't stated their type, merely compared the Alpha and Gamma NT clubs and SF. Perhaps it is you who's biased? Anyway, I do think that morals are better handled by T types in general. -- Doomdark |
C10 Maybe the point of the article is to stir interest in the topic and invite discussion so that perceptions can be compared and validated accordingly. -- Anonymous |
C11 I have seen the behavior described in this article, but it isn't ESFP nor ISFJ. ISFP/ESFJ? INFP/ENFJ? I'm not sure, but ISFP/ESFJ seems to fit the other type data best. -- Anonymous |
C12 Dear C8, "Alpha NT bias" is an oxymoron. -- Anonymous |
C13 Excluding parts that describe some Se traits this seems more like a general and emotional description of an interaction between thinking and feeling types from conflicting quadra. Much of the information here is non- specific to any one quadra. The author is uninformed of the rules, ethics and traits of each quadra and is only aware of a few traits of each information element and thus the ambiguity and confusion in this article. -- Anonymous |
C14 @doomdark Se - The need for acquiring qualities of a powerful person physically and mentally, is the hidden agenda and spiritual goal to the INTj and the function that precipitates last, late into the maturation of the ENTp personality. Gamma-SFs threaten the 'NT'- need for competence in these functions of the alpha-NT ego block which are outridden by the gamma-SF's natural competence in the areas of Se which are craved for by alpha-NT types who have not yet acquired or developed sufficient control and maturity over these lower tertiary and inferior functions, they prefer to manifest their anguish via their Fi which is also a lesser function with low control at this stage through logically thought out rants like this article or covert social attack quite like those described by the author. Infact many of the tactics of the SFs the author has described in the article are those imagined and executed by extroverted alphas. Thus the conclusion that the article was written by an alpha-NT. Also C12 quite foolishly validated C8's opinion. -- Evilmore |
C15 A crucially important aspect overlooked is that 1.Inherent genotypical human nature 2. Acquired phenotypical cultural traits 3. Psychological maturity, are the drivers underlying any socionics type and his/her motives and actions. It is beyond the purview of these type indicators to assess or comment upon basic human nature of a type scientifically as you have attempted to. Please dont pollute an accurate system which has been painstakingly created and developed with underinformed and personal articles such as these and undermine its credibility. -- Anonymous |
C16 C14 - "Infact many of the tactics of the SFs the author has described in the article are those imagined and executed by extroverted alphas." I have seen an extroverted Alpha NT doing this, but I also have seen Gamma SF doing this as well PLENTY of times. The only difference is in the use of logistics, tactics, strategies, etc - how often they use them and how adept they are at these. Also the reasons why Gamma SF attack others, described in this article, are pretty accurate. An ISTj -- Anoymous |
C17 ESFps appear to be the types that most resemble monkeys. A good ESFp can be kind, hearty, and considerate. A bad ESFp can be rude, aggressive, and overbearing, manipulative (and think nothing wrong of it) and I've had a few run ins with these. I see more bad ESFps with males in particular. From afar they can be fun upon closer inspection cruel as hell. Similarly, an ISFj can be just plain MEAN. -- Th - ENTp |
C18 well if the ENTps intentions are bad, an ISFj is bound to detect it quickly with his Fi primary and be 'mean'.. and changing colour and saying you were an innocent well-meaning fool and it was all just for laughs, after you have done the nasty, malicious things you have done wont make things better for anyone. -- -estj |
C19 Why are you getting angry at this stuff when there's nothing you can do to change it? What's bickering about this gonna do? There might be some truth to these observations, but I think you're all wasting your time starting "tribe wars". This is the reason I'm thankful that most people don't know about socionics. -intp -- Anonymous |
C20 gandalf is esi -timewaster -- Anonymous |
C21 What a biased article. -- echidna1000 |
C22 @c18 "an ISFj is bound to detect it quickly with his Fi primary" I have plenty of anecdotal evidence that if the ENTp does not want its intentions to be detected, they are not. This often comes at the cost of violating its own fragile moral principles. - Sincerely, an ENTp with an ISFj father. -- Anonymous |
C23 My ISFj (ESI) wife fits this description to a T. Admittedly, she has had a rough life, and I (and EIE who naturally wants to see the best in people and who naively sees most people as "good," even when they're not) spent 24 years of my life trying to get this person to see how badly and how often she was hurting me. Her response (as predicted above): "People can take care of themselves." She was partially right. She is very good at taking care of herself, but she had no interest in taking care of me ... NEVER. Finally, I gave up. Beware! The author of this article is more insightful than most people want to believe. -- Anonymous |
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